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Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by frollogaston on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @03:33PM (#43403938)
I honestly don't care about Microsoft bundling a browser. The real problem was that they intentionally broke web standards to push websites to "work best on Internet Explorer," so even those who chose not to use Windows were affected.
Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by apatheticonion on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @05:18PM (#43405251)
Apple do this too with their products - but in more subtle ways.

For instance, try to play a video game on MacOS. While Vulkan is available on every playform, it's not available on MacOS or iOS despite the fact that it would take an engineer at Apple a weekend to implement (figuritively speaking). Apple are also killing off OpenGL support for MacOS.

Generally, Apple deliberately build a "dependence ecosystem" for their consumers on the product side while also actively preventing engineers from using portable technologies on their platforms.

The fact that MacOS is as open as it currently is is a miracle and I am sure executives hate that.

They create the fastest and most ergonomic mobile hardware on Earth but, outside of web browsing, video editing and some engineering workloads, there's very little you can actually do on it.

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by frollogaston on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @05:23PM (#43405311)
Oh yeah, Mac video games sorta don't exist. The dev can jump through all those hoops and still have random OS updates break it constantly. Almost as bad just for regular apps.

Re executives being mad: The thing is, they make money off Mac hardware, and even then its profits are dwarfed by iPhone and iPhone accessories. Which are of course locked down.

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by adhamsalama on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @05:36PM (#43405445)
Isn't the WebKit the only allowed browser engine on iOS?
Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by frollogaston on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @05:40PM (#43405483)
Yes. Essentially Safari is the only iOS browser. Ironically, this is the only thing stopping a Chrome web monopoly.
Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by golergka on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @08:34PM (#43407010)
> The real problem was that they intentionally broke web standards to push websites to "work best on Internet Explorer," so even those who chose not to use Windows were caught up in it.

Microsoft tried to build their own extensions to the internet standards, like activex and proprietary DOM/JScript extensions, explicitly designed to lock devs into IE’s ecosystem. It's quite impressive that they managed to miss this opportunity to Adobe. And how Adobe then just... squandered it. I would expect that "being the necessary proprietary piece in significant chunk of internet" would have some deep strategic advantage, but both tech giants couldn't be bothered to do a good job.

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by frollogaston on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @08:50PM (#43407134)
Both Adobe and Microsoft missed the mobile boat.