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Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by shantara on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @03:23PM (#43403793)
We’re rapidly approaching the point where having a smartphone is becoming a necessity for being a functional part of the society. You could argue that is some countries we’re already past that point. A device of this social importance that’s also locked into one of the two American megacorps absolutely needs as much scrutiny as possible, since the interests of those megacorps are not aligned with the interests of the society.

To give one example, Apple has removed an option for Airdrop file sharing between iPhones that are not on one another’s contact lists after the pressure from the Chinese government to stop it from being used for protests coordination. And yet this change was silently rolled out globally as a part of an iOS update.

So, no, “Good enough for most people” is not actually good enough.

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by nomel on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @04:49PM (#43404913)
This is somewhat false. It wasn't removed, it just takes intent now, and it has a timeout. I've been spammed by strangers with airdrop before, and have accidentally airdropped things to strangers. I enjoy the increased intent.

But, gone are the fun days people spam airdropping funny "This is the captain" pictures to everyone while waiting for takeoff in an airplane.

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by vv_ on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @06:23PM (#43405878)
> having a smartphone is becoming a necessity for being a functional part of the society

This is correct, as in some countries, you use your phone to authenticate access to banking applications and payments (e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart-ID). However, I find it a bit of a stretch to claim that having iMessage access on a smartwatch is essential for being a functional member of society.

Corporations will always take steps to ensure their profitability. Apple, for example, is incentivized to keep its systems locked down to maintain its ecosystem. There are likely other justifiable considerations behind these decisions. While laws exist to regulate what corporations can and cannot do, there should be a reasonable balance. That said, I don’t think this is a battle worth fighting - people can simply switch to an Android phone, which offers better support for a wider range of smartwatches.

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by NotPractical on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @07:04PM (#43406252)
> people can simply switch to an Android phone

Giving all your data to Google (an adtech company) is not an acceptable solution. Not to mention that it's incredibly difficult to leave the Apple ecosystem, by design.

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by vv_ on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @07:50PM (#43406676)
Apple is bad. Google (Android) is bad.

So what is the solution here for the common non-tech savvy smartphone user?

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by NotPractical on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @08:27PM (#43406950)
I would say that custom Android-based ROMs like GrapheneOS are the solution, but Google is actively sabotaging those with the Play Integrity API so I don't know if they will be usable by the average person in the long-term (unless Google is legally compelled to stop this).

So honestly I think that legislation such as what's happening in the EU is the only solution. This includes investigating Google as well as Apple. I'm not a huge fan of legislation in general but the current state of mobile computing is depressingly bad right now.

> However, I find it a bit of a stretch to claim that having iMessage access on a smartwatch is essential for being a functional member of society.

Btw I agree here. Perhaps the EU is being a little too overbearing in some aspects, but most of it is good. I think in this case Pebble is trying to take advantage of the existing interoperability provisions, which are a general framework allowing devs to request access to certain functions. However the EU has said that they want to target smartwatches in particular which sounds like misplaced priority to me...

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by vv_ on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @09:00PM (#43407206)
> which sounds like misplaced priority to me

Agreed.

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by theshrike79 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @08:44AM (#43411110)
It's not easy to degoogle either. Just Youtube alone is next to impossible to get rid of.
Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by shantara on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @04:40AM (#43409505)
What I had in mind wasn’t iMessage, but the fact that banking and digital ID systems such as Danish MitID are increasingly being built with the assumption that everyone owns a smartphone.

https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by vv_ on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @07:47AM (#43410709)
There is also a code reader version available: https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/mitid-auth.... In Lithuania, similar systems for banking have existed for a long time—especially code generators—as a method of authentication. In recent years, they have been widely adopted across various platforms, particularly government services, as a login method. Essentially, it functions as a digital ID.

What I originally meant was that I don’t see Apple’s reluctance to open up the iMessage ecosystem as an indication that they wouldn’t support a banking or government authentication system. I just don't understand the concern here.

Re:Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones by golergka on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @08:38PM (#43407040)
It took a 100 years from first phone public networks in the 1880s to the basic expectation that you would have a phone number in 1980s. Public internet came this way in ~20 years (early 90s-early 10s). Smartphones did it in 15?