News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Fuck college education, start minding your own business i... by gruseom on Wednesday January 14, 2009 @01:44PM (#434000)
You know, when I wrote that comment I actually wrote out a list of who thinks that education equals job training: government, industry, educators (so-called), media... then I thought "this is crazy" and just put in "our society". I don't see how anyone can argue that there isn't a massive consensus around this. Your own story confirms it.

Certainly it's possible to deviate from the consensus, at least up to a point, and I'm all in favor of doing so.

Re:Fuck college education, start minding your own business i... by unalone on Wednesday January 14, 2009 @02:11PM (#434061)
I'll back this up. There are two common types of people in college: the people who are there entirely for the social aspect, and the people who are there entirely to further their career. Much more uncommon is the student who's actually interested in learning for learning's sake: the student who should make up the majority of college studentry is the rarest.

I think that's the point that the blog is trying to make: college has become something of less value, even in the minds of the people who attend it. No longer is it some special thing, even though it should be a special thing. Now it's just an extra 4 or 6 years applied to the end of your existing 13 years in school. Some people apply to college just to go through the motions, and attend it in the same way, and I hate that. College has turned into another mandatory for most people.

I'm not saying there's no purpose to college - my first semester was all mandatory know-nothing classes, but this coming semester I'm in an advanced design course, an upper-level coding class, and I'm taking "intro to religion" for fun - but at the same time, there's a very important point being made with this blog, and that's "Only go to college if you really want to get something out of it." Otherwise, there are other more satisfying routes available.

Re:Fuck college education, start minding your own business i... by andreyf on Wednesday January 14, 2009 @05:38PM (#434469)
This sentiment seems a bit forward... why do you care what reasons other people have for doing what they do?

I think it was Einstein who said one always cuts a poor figure if one complains about others who are struggling for their place in the sun too, after their own fashion.

Re:Fuck college education, start minding your own business i... by unalone on Wednesday January 14, 2009 @10:50PM (#434772)
The difference is that college is designed to be social. You're meant to interact with your dormmates, your classmates. It's all very pointed and focused on social interaction.

When I'm in a beginner's coding class, sitting next to a girl who doesn't know how to program and hates the idea of programming, and she'd rather copy my stuff, then it lowers my ideal of what the class ought to be. When the professor cares more about making a joke and talking about her son than she is about teaching as effectively as possible, it lowers my ideal.

Not everybody's like that - I love my roommate and some of my floormates - but my point was that college is not for everybody. For instance, at this moment it's not for me. I've got an idea for something I want to do with my life - not my whole life, but my life right now - and I'm benefitting from planning parts of my life around that idea, and seeing it grow, and possibly seeing it succeed. After that, I'll probably end up back in college, but older and wiser and surrounded, hopefully, by people who've gone through similar experiences.

It may be different in later years, but that's my perspective as a freshman. College is built around the social. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't matter as much.

Re:Fuck college education, start minding your own business i... by andreyf on Thursday January 15, 2009 @11:28AM (#435287)
Good point.

But Universities are big - surely, you can find people who are of the same world view. Again, at Rutgers, we had ~40k undergrads. Given that many people, it wasn't all that hard to get together a suite of 6 math majors, hang up a huge whiteboard (technically, shower wall from Home Depot), and geek it up :)

As far as classes, it gets a lot better after you finish the common pre-requisites (if your school doesn't offer "honors" sections of those). When you have the choices of picking one of a dozen classes each taught by a couple of different professors (I'm thinking across-semesters), smart people often start gravitating toward the same teachers - ask around.

Re:Fuck college education, start minding your own business i... by unalone on Thursday January 15, 2009 @12:28PM (#435368)
Haha, it's funny that you mention Rutgers. My whole family went to Rutgers, and a huge chunk of my graduating class went. I picked TCNJ because I thought it would be better to have a smaller class size and a tiny campus. I don't know if that thought process was correct now.

Hopefully this'll be the first semester where I'm really going interesting stuff. One of my first-semester professors let me and a friend into one of his top-level courses, so I'm excited for that.

Re:Fuck college education, start minding your own business i... by ahoyhere on Thursday January 15, 2009 @10:46AM (#435242)
Because the institutions are shaped to serve the majority of their customers.
Re:Fuck college education, start minding your own business i... by andreyf on Thursday January 15, 2009 @11:38AM (#435299)
Yes, true. Still, our society encourages innovation, where anyone is free to start a school entertaining whatever niche you fancy. This solves the vast majority the pain of being in an informed minority - you can find educational institutions from pre-schools to universities where the administration focuses on excellence. For Math, Rutgers and Princeton are great Universities. For CS, I imagine Texas A&M would be good.

Any large university will give you enough of a selection of professors for you to be able to focus on the good ones.