Re:Any insider takes on Yann LeCun's push against current ar...
by gsf_emergency_2 on Saturday March 15, 2025 @06:22AM
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on "stochastic parrots"
Table stakes for sentience: knowing when the best answer is not good enough.. try prompting LLMs with that..
It's related to LeCun's (and Ravid's) subtle question I mentioned in passing below:
To Compress Or Not To Compress?
(For even a vast majority of Humans, except tacitly, that is not a question!)
Without any 'understanding' or knowledge of what they're saying, they will remain irreconcilably dysfunctional. Hence the typical pattern with LLMs:
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How do I do [x]?
You do [a].
No that's wrong because reasons.
Oh I'm sorry. You're completely right. Thanks for correcting me. I'll keep that in mind. You do [b].
No that's also wrong because reasons.
Oh I'm sorry. You're completely right. Thanks for correcting me. I'll keep that in mind. You do [a].
FML
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More advanced systems might add a c or a d, but it's just more noise before repeating the same pattern. Deep Seek's more visible (and lengthy) reasoning demonstrates this perhaps the most clearly. It just can't stop coming back to the same wrong (but statistically probable) answer and so ping-ponging off that (which it at least acknowledges is wrong due to user input) makes up basically the entirety of its reasoning phase.