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Re:Any insider takes on Yann LeCun's push against current ar... by bashfulpup on Friday March 14, 2025 @06:09PM (#43367802)
He's right but at the same time wrong. Current AI methods are essentially scaled up methods that we learned decades ago.

These long horizon (agi) problems have been there since the very beginning. We have never had a solution to them. RL assumes we know the future which is a poor proxy. These energy based methods fundamentally do very little that an RNN didn't do long ago.

I worked on higher dimensionality methods which is a very different angle. My take is that it's about the way we scale dependencies between connections. The human brain makes and breaks a massive amount of nueron connections daily. Scaling the dimensionality would imply that a single connection could be scalled to encompass significantly more "thoughts" over time.

Additionally the true to solution to these problems are likely to be solved by a kid with a laptop as much as an top researcher. You find the solution to CL on a small AI model (mnist) you solve it at all scales.

Re:Any insider takes on Yann LeCun's push against current ar... by haolez on Friday March 14, 2025 @06:39PM (#43368066)
Not exactly related, but I wonder sometimes if the fact that the weights in current models are very expansive to change is a feature and not a "bug".

Somehow, it feels harder to trust a model that could evolve over time. It's performance might even degrade. That's a steep price to pay for having memory built in and a (possibly) self-evolving model.

Re:Any insider takes on Yann LeCun's push against current ar... by bashfulpup on Friday March 14, 2025 @06:54PM (#43368190)
We degrade, and I think we are far more valuable than one model.
Re:Any insider takes on Yann LeCun's push against current ar... by nradov on Friday March 14, 2025 @06:13PM (#43367830)
For a kid with a laptop to solve it would require the problem to be solvable with current standard hardware. There's no evidence for that. We might need a completely different hardware paradigm.
Re:Any insider takes on Yann LeCun's push against current ar... by bashfulpup on Friday March 14, 2025 @06:53PM (#43368179)
Also possible and a fair point. My point is that it's a "tiny" solution that we can scale.

I could revise that by saying a kid with a whiteboard.

It's an einstein×10 moment so who know when that'll happen.