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Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by lurk2 on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @08:42PM (#43349283)
> the bad guys can't simultaneously be omniscient and so dumb they're trivially outed like this

This is a false dichotomy. Federal agencies prove themselves to be fallible (even incompetent) all the time, they just have far more resources available to make up for their mistakes.

Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by jghn on Thursday March 13, 2025 @12:08AM (#43350287)
In Russia people "fall out the window" all the time. It is intentional. We need to adjust.
Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by kortilla on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @10:50PM (#43349951)
Unmarked vans drive around all of the time and nobody bats an eye at them. There is no reason to even bother with a big elaborate company name that anyone could google and do further background checks on
Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by seanw444 on Thursday March 13, 2025 @12:10PM (#43354705)
Unmarked vans drive around all the time. They don't typically park out front of a whistleblower's house. There is more scrutiny there than driving down any random street. Therefore, a more sufficient cover would be required.
Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by godshatter on Thursday March 13, 2025 @02:55PM (#43356225)
An unmarked white van (without windows) parked a house or two down the street hacking your wifi might not be that noticeable. One across the street with a radio dish spinning around and a parabolic mic sticking out the window and a few people entering and exiting it with donuts and coffee multiple times probably would be.
Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by kortilla on Sunday March 16, 2025 @05:49PM (#43382758)
An unmarked van could park in front of any arbitrary public neighborhood house with street parking for a few hours and nobody would care. As long as people aren’t visible in it.

Multiple days would be suspicious but that would be true of even the “sewer inspection” cover van

Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by tptacek on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @08:58PM (#43349357)
I mean, the real argument here is between "something interesting" and "something boring", and it's message board so "boring" is heavily disfavored. But, yeah, it's a sewer inspection van.
Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by lurk2 on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @11:32PM (#43350157)
My comment did not express any opinion as to whether this was or was not a surveillance van, and this has no bearing on the proposed alternatives being a false dichotomy.
Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by freedomben on Thursday March 13, 2025 @12:17PM (#43354758)
With GP's clarification, it's still shaped like a false dichotomy but I don't think it's one in spirit. It sounds more like reductio ad absurdum to me, with a sprinkling of hyperbole for effect.
Re:Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spyi... by jorvi on Thursday March 13, 2025 @09:32AM (#43353171)
Legacy of Ashes is a great book about the CIA on this, on how they basically stumbled into some of their biggest accomplishments.