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Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by LiquidSky on Monday March 10, 2025 @04:49PM (#43325911)
In a different way. There's the old joke and doctors and God, and you will certainly find attorneys who are full of themselves. But while I've never met an attorney who thought they were an engineer simply because they were excellent lawyer, I've encountered plenty of engineers who believe themselves to be masters of the law (including here on Hacker News), having logically deduced it from first principles with their superior intellect.
Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by miki123211 on Monday March 10, 2025 @08:06PM (#43327692)
> I've never met an attorney who thought they were an engineer simply because they were excellent lawyer

Not sure about attorneys, but there are certainly legislators / regulators who think that, or who at least think that every problem they throw at engineers, like implementing end-to-end encryption that their government can backdoor but foreign governments can't, is instantly and easily solvable.

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by tsimionescu on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @02:05AM (#43329621)
That's basically the opposite phenomenon: you know so little about how an industry operates that everything they do seems like magic to you, so you end up making absurd demands of them.

The phenomenon discussed here has engineers believe they can practice law and medicine themselves. So they're not asking lawyers to get them out of a murder caught on national television, or doctors to cure their cancer in three days. They think they can do these themselves.

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @11:06AM (#43333213)
Completely agree w this clarification
Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by flkiwi on Monday March 10, 2025 @08:49PM (#43327993)
One of the most important skills a lawyer can have is being able to comprehend highly complex topics in a very short time with minimal information to a reasonable level of confidence that they can advise genuine subject matter experts (experts the lawyer counts on knowing more about a topic than the lawyer does) about risk issues.

This is, of course, one of the most important skills anybody can have, but most people are terrible at it (whether by lack of talent or lack of practice) so our society pays lawyers to do it for them.

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by Fomite on Monday March 10, 2025 @09:07PM (#43328110)
"I've encountered plenty of engineers who believe themselves to be masters of the law"

So much so that this is a running joke among nearly every lawyer I know in private practice.