Re:Show HN: r1_vlm – Open-Source Framework for Visual Reason...
by oofbey on Saturday March 08, 2025 @11:23AM
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This is really pretty cool. LLM's are so bad at images, it just makes sense to use reasoning to improve them. I'd love to see this applied to a bigger model than 3B, because this task is not difficult. But the attention visualization really demonstrates that it's doing what it's supposed to.
Re:Show HN: r1_vlm – Open-Source Framework for Visual Reason...
by xoofoog on Saturday March 08, 2025 @11:53AM
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What do you mean LLMs are bad at images? GPT or Claude can read text perfectly, and describe what's in a picture in a lot of detail. I feel like replacing OCR is one of the few things you can actually trust them for.
Re:Show HN: r1_vlm – Open-Source Framework for Visual Reason...
by skumar17 on Saturday March 08, 2025 @11:58AM
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That’s a good observation. For this project, I found that while the base model could “read” the image, it didn’t really understand how to use it. GRPO allowed it to effectively search the solution space.
Re:Show HN: r1_vlm – Open-Source Framework for Visual Reason...
by oofbey on Saturday March 08, 2025 @12:15PM
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That's true - they are quite good at OCR. But they're really bad at a bunch of tasks that seem like they should be super simple. Like "are these lines crossed" or "which letter is circled". See https://vlmsareblind.github.io/ for some clear examples.
https://huggingface.co/spaces/Groundlight/grpo-vlm-decoder