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Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by throwaway48476 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @10:01AM (#43267434)
>Real victory in a traditional war against Russia is unattainable.

This is very wrong. Anything is possible, it's just a matter of political will.

The most likely scenario is russia is pushed to the brink and collapses internally like 1917 and 1990. Then Russia balkanizes along ethnic lines, like 1917 and 1990.

Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by pavlov on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:04AM (#43268404)
Unfortunately Russia didn’t balkanize in 1990. The largest Soviet republic became the Russian Federation and kept its borders.

The world today would be a much safer place if 1990 Russia had split into about six independent states, each comparable to Kazakhstan or Ukraine. Hopefully that will eventually happen when Putin is gone. Imperial Russia should cease to exist like imperial Austria did. It has been a great source of misery throughout the centuries.

Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by throwaway48476 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:09AM (#43268474)
The republics that gained independence broke free from the Russian empire. Several wars also broke out as a result including transnistria, Georgia and Chechnya.
Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by kimixa on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:47AM (#43269052)
Western Europe still has a massive manpower advantage, before you even look at investment and . If things develop to the level where the "comfortable city dwellers" in Europe is truly threatened I don't see Russia as being anywhere near the victor (though you're correct that in that case there won't be a "victor" so much "Might Lose A Little Less"). But the goal is to push up to that limit but no beyond, at least for now.

I don't think many people are actually nationalistic zealots who want to eliminate other countries so long as theirs is technically still existent, as even a king of ashes won't have a great life compared to a mid-range billionaire today.