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Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by benterix on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @08:18AM (#43266027)
Destroying NS seemed significant at the time but not anymore - we've drastically reduced dependency on Russian gas so it makes no sense to build/open new infra for that. And even if the war ends, Europeans will be ware of sending their money to a country that may use it against them.
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Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by anamax on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @09:28AM (#43266845)
> And even if the war ends, Europeans will be ware of sending their money to a country that may use it against them.

I'd bet a significant fraction of my net worth that Europeans will embrace Russian energy after the war.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/24/eu-spends-more...

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Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by Braxton1980 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:36AM (#43268885)
"EU spends more on Russian oil and gas than financial aid to Ukraine – report"

Isn't this comparing government spending to consumer spending? Because that energy is paid for by the population at the end the line directly.

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Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by pmontra on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @09:32AM (#43266919)
It depends on who wins the war and on which terms. Examples: after a surrender you better have to buy anything from the winner at the price made by the winner. After a stalemate you buy somewhere else.
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Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by throwaway48476 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @10:22AM (#43267734)
Only 3/4 NS pipes were blown and in 2 places miles apart. The first explosion was likely and accident, the second intentional.
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Re:'Shadow fleets' and sabotage: are Europe's undersea cable... by ethbr1 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @10:14AM (#43267604)
The Ukranians blowing up NS (allegedly) has to have been one of the most strategically brilliantly covert operations in modern times.

It singlehandedly and instantly removed a major blocker to European support for Ukraine, at an uncertain time.

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