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Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by encomiast on Saturday March 01, 2025 @07:34PM (#43225800)
They don't actually know who the bureaucrats are that they want to traumatize. Anyone calling a product manager, UX designer, or software developer at 18F a "bureaucrat" simply has no idea what they actually do. They are just demonizing the scapegoat du jour.

Also among these so call "bureaucrats" are psychologists at the VA helping veterans with PTSD; search and rescue professionals working for forest service, park service, fema, etc; undercover FBI agents trying to stop organized crime; NOAA scientists predicting hurricanes, the list goes on.

The demonization of the civil servants of this country is a story that people who want power are telling the country in order to gain said power. It's a story as old as time.

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by refulgentis on Saturday March 01, 2025 @07:51PM (#43225908)
100%, when I hear it, I hear "small enough to drown in a bathtub" for a new era.

A lot of people got away with saying a lot of BS for a while now. Bureaucrat, woke, etc. used as vague thought-terminating cliches, and we are observing one of these formless things decay, in real time, to the point they're outré.

The based to cringe pipeline, if you will

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by justin66 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:41PM (#43226201)
> They don't actually know who the bureaucrats are that they want to traumatize. Anyone calling a product manager, UX designer, or software developer at 18F a "bureaucrat" simply has no idea what they actually do.

"Bureaucrat" is always a pejorative for a professional person who works in a bureaucracy. It doesn't mean anything.

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by rl3 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:14PM (#43226848)
>It doesn't mean anything.

It certainly means something in context, seeing as virtually everyone in the civil service has been painted with this same brush regardless of whether the term's use is correct or not.

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by nulld3v on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:38PM (#43226604)
> "bureaucrat" is a pejorative

> "bureaucrat" doesn't mean anything

These two sentences appear to be contradictory.

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by bonzini on Sunday March 02, 2025 @02:27AM (#43228195)
It does not mean anything, it has the only purpose of demeaning one's work.
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by justin66 on Sunday March 02, 2025 @08:55AM (#43230502)
Thanks, that is what I was driving at.
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by hayst4ck on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:42PM (#43227366)
> It doesn't mean anything.

Language is everything. Are they a government workers or are they a bureaucrats? Deep state operatives or public servants? All of these words could describe someone who works for 18F.

18F workers are public servants, some of the best in the government, but by calling them bureaucrats, it makes their work seem inefficient and their removal seem logical.

Accepting the word chosen for the conversation determines what actions are acceptable. Protestors or rioters? Freedom fighter or terrorist? Peacekeeper or occupying force? Security or surveillance? Whistleblower or leaker? Regulation or Red Tape? Tax or Theft? Patriot or nationalist? Socialism, Marxism, or communism?

Peace (justice) or peace (submission)? Woke (generational injustice) or woke (any leftist idea I don’t like)?

It's precisely because these words have exact meanings, that they are so insidious. Many end up becoming shibboleths, dividing us vs them.

There are companies, PR firms, private intelligence, and think tanks that A/B test words and ideas in order to create the right metaphorical context to get people to submit to a certain framing.

A good read on the general topic of control via metaphorical framing:

https://commonslibrary.org/frame-the-debate-insights-from-do...

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by jmathai on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:00PM (#43226757)
Many of Gary's videos on the economy shed light on what's happening in the US right now. A lot of sleight of hand to convince the general population that the villains are immigrants, government employees, anyone on welfare, etc. I found this one to be most poignant on the topic.

https://youtu.be/wPoXOwiEfrQ?si=K58Pa-JQhdIvQzrw

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by danans on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:42AM (#43227765)
Gary Stevenson is one of the strongest rising voices on what the wealthy have been doing to the working and middle classes over the last decades (under parties of both sides in both the UK and the US), a trend being rapidly accelerated under the current US administration.
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Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by Barracoon on Sunday March 02, 2025 @08:56AM (#43230514)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3331 The agenda of the president does not matter
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by rayiner on Sunday March 02, 2025 @09:20AM (#43230749)
The resistance at Trump’s inauguration has to do with Trump’s immigration and environmental policies. Which undoubtedly are within his lawful executive powers.