Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by DamnYuppie on Saturday March 01, 2025 @03:02AM (#43217096)

Europe has moved so far away from freedom they wouldn't be considered in it. So yeah it is pretty much just US all alone out here. One thing I realize here is that Americans view freedom through the lens of personal freedoms, while Europeans may in fact view freedom through a different lens. This is why it feels, to me, they are moving farther away from personal freedoms.

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by AlecSchueler on Saturday March 01, 2025 @03:18AM (#43217205)

Is this a parody? the US is talking about annexing territory from allies, cosying up to Putin and purging the state apparatus of anyone non-compliant.

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by amluto on Saturday March 01, 2025 @03:42AM (#43217344)

To be fair, the US is also talking about annexing territory from non-allies, too. Maybe we need to annex territory comprising widely varying climates and degrees of strategic value?

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by AlecSchueler on Saturday March 01, 2025 @05:21AM (#43217896)

I said allies because, although I don't personally agree, I can see all argument for why the "leader of the free world" would be taking on tyrants and dictators, whereas no such argument can hold water when they're threatening countries that rate higher than themselves on the democracy index

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by grumpyprole on Saturday March 01, 2025 @03:42AM (#43217342)

And taking away women's rights.

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by DamnYuppie on Saturday March 01, 2025 @03:57AM (#43217444)

I don't equate personal freedoms with conquests. If you are a threat to our country I give no cares for what we do to you. If your nation has to be thrown on the pyre of Americas freedom..so be it.

Alec I can't respond to your response. But no it wasn't a parody. I don't actually think we are cozying up to Putin. Europe keeps throwing money at him, we are just trying to end a stupid war. The "purge" is more of a fact finding to see who is wasting our money and how. No one is being killed, jailed, or tortured. I would however not mind if many politicians end up in jail. People forget previous presidents have fired over 350,000 federal employees, the sky didn't fall. But the national debt did for a time...just saying...

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by AlecSchueler on Saturday March 01, 2025 @04:06AM (#43217489)

I'm taking that a "yes" in response to my question?

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by marcosscriven on Saturday March 01, 2025 @04:29AM (#43217612)

If Putin just rolled in and took a couple of the states of the USA, you think it would be a “stupid war” for the USA to defend itself?

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by DamnYuppie on Saturday March 01, 2025 @12:17PM (#43221382)

That’s not even remotely comparable. The United States and Ukraine are vastly different in terms of military capability, geographic positioning, and strategic importance. Putin annexing a couple of U.S. states is a laughably unrealistic scenario—he can barely hold the territory he's taken from a country bordering his own.

The war in Ukraine is tragic, but it’s not our war. The idea that we must commit endless resources to it just because it’s happening is not a rational foreign policy stance. A stronger America means prioritizing where we spend our strength, not blindly throwing resources at conflicts that don’t directly threaten us.

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by marcosscriven on Saturday March 01, 2025 @04:27AM (#43217594)

Brit here. What freedom do you think I don’t have, that you as an American does?

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by DamnYuppie on Saturday March 01, 2025 @04:29AM (#43217607)

As I said personal freedoms. Freedom of speech, right to bear arms off the top of my head. These may not be important to other countries so they may not feel their lose of them as anything important. Hence my statement we may in fact view freedom differently one from one another.

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