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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by Dig1t on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:17PM (#43211165)
Einstein was famously a pacifist, opposed to the concept of war. Many leftists used to be aligned with this as well.

We are funding a meat grinder that has no sign of victory for either side anywhere in sight. This has been going on for years now. Long enough where we need to consider a diplomatic compromise, we can’t just keep pumping money into another country waiting for enough men to die, it is fundamentally evil.

I know people feel that they are morally justified in funding the conflict forever because Russia is the aggressor. But at a certain point it becomes evil not to seek an end to the killing. Have you watched videos of the horrific things that are happening over there with drone warfare? How can you watch that and say “it’s okay to let this go on forever because technically Russia is the invader”?

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by dralley on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:26PM (#43211369)
> Einstein was famously a pacifist, opposed to the concept of war.

And then his mind changed when confronted with WWII. “I am a pacifist in principle, but I am not an absolute pacifist.”

>“it’s okay to let this go on forever because technically Russia is the invader”?

There is no "technically". Russia is the invader. Russia can leave at any time and there will be peace very quickly.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by anigbrowl on Friday February 28, 2025 @05:19PM (#43212376)
Pacifism is good insofar as one should avoid starting wars. What you are arguing for is prostration, reflexive submission to any non-pacifist actor. All your posts in this thread are bemoaning the horrors of war and comparing it to a meatgrinder, but all saying that the solution is for Ukraine to capitulate. What consequences should befall Russia?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by pjc50 on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:24PM (#43211310)
Einstein was pro-nuke!

Certainly applying the Einstein solution of a spread of nukes would end the war, very quickly.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by justatdotin on Friday February 28, 2025 @05:11PM (#43212266)
he called his initial support 'the one great mistake of my life' - and spent the rest of it campaigning for disarmament
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by ioblomov on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:48PM (#43211833)
He was only pro-nuke through fear that Hitler would get them first. After the war, he was as anti-nuke as Oppenheimer and the rest.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by y0ssar1an on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:41PM (#43211702)
Victory for Ukraine is surviving to the next day. Do you really think funding them is "fundamentally evil"? They don't have a choice about fighting. If they lose, Ukraine will be brutally "Russified". Their language and culture will be banned. Their poets and patriots killed. Their children will be brainwashed and turned into loyal soldiers for Putin's next war of conquest.

Nobody likes war, but letting your country be subjugated by an evil dictator is worse.