It’s a great outcome for americans, who don’t care what happens in europe. If europe could handle its own business Trump and his voters would be thrilled.

And the US did not have interests in Ukraine? As if the past two decades never happened?

The US had no interests in Ukraine, it had no interest in Iraq, it had no interest in Kuwait, it had no interest in Vietnam, etc.

Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union since 1917. Was it hurting America to not have Ukraine as an “ally” that whole time? Clearly not!

Not sure if sarcasm or some type of counterfactual history?

It does not matter how we ended up here, but we have an obligation to select for the least bad outcome.

It would be understandable to step back from Ukraine. There's a reasonable argument to be made there. I disagree, but I can understand the position.

It's not understandable to support Russia and say things like Ukraine started the war. That's just pure ignorant bullshit.

It's a typical garbled Trumpism. But what do you know about the history of the end of the Cold War? You knew that the U.S. assured Russia at the time that NATO would not expand to Russia's border, did you not? https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017...

And people don't want the government anywhere near their lives, until people with big sticks start poking at them instead.

The US populace can stick its head in the sand & say the rest of the world doesn't need them, but what if a superpower starts snapping up that rest of the world?

>It’s obvious that Poland or the Baltics would be next, and the further they let Putin go the worse it gets.

Poland would wipe the floor with Russia.