They’re not though… it’s just that endless billions being sent for a war that Europe won’t proportionally help support has to end. How much more money and lives will be wasted in Ukraine?

Ask Russia?

The killing won't stop until Russia is firmly stopped. There is no peace without completely and permanently pacifying Russia. They will attack again and again until we render them unable to continue. The best time to do this is thirty years ago, the second best time is now.

Who is "we"? Are you a soldier in Ukraine? More death is not going to help and neither side will stop. The only chance to stop killing is an agreement.

I know lots of Ukrainians. They all know that life under this sort of "agreement," which is actually Ukraine paying reparations for a war it didn't start, for zero security guarantees, was beyond moronic. It wasn't an agreement it was mere capitulation to Russia to continue genocide.

Actual real Ukrainians are fighting, and signing back up even after being injured.

Ukraine is on "death ground" and has nowhere to go except to fight to survive. Ukrainians know that. Russia knows that. I'm not sure that those that spout Russian propaganda know that, and for example I doubt you know any Ukrainians with questions like yours, but you sure do sound like the Russian propaganda lines that get trotted out to Americans.

And everything you say or hear is propaganda, see how useless Ad hominem are?

Maybe I am subject to propaganda and you aren't, either way I'm on the side of peace. You are on the side of war and death. I'll take the propaganda.

That's what they thought about appeasing Hitler - why would peace talks stop Putin from taking even more territory? It wouldn't and it wont.

More death wouldn't, but a solid established and supported promise of retaliation in case of aggression from either side would.

And "we" here means the democratic world - solidarity is the only way to deter bullies - if Russia knew that EU/US would retaliate in case of an attack on Ukraine, they wouldn't invade.

But of course if you yourself is a bully, you will do everything in your power to cause feuds. And here we are, oh well.

I believe the clip of the interview disproves that point. If money was the problem (or, more generally, a protracted investment in a conflict perceived as senseless) then a sobering talk would be the way - think of the speech that Biden gave when he announced that the US was withdrawing from Afghanistan for similar reasons, fully aware of what the likely consequences would be.

This interview, on the other hand, has the US VP talking on top of a head of state while chastising him for not being grateful enough while pressuring him to take a deal that would effectively surrender Ukraine to US and Russian interests. Whatever the objective of this meeting was, "a fair result for Ukraine and its dead" did not seem to be it.

At least the US isn't threatening to annex land of an EU member state, that would be a real scandal.

I'm assuming that was sarcasm :) Since Trump and his followers seem to save that type of posturing for Canada. But I guess he's just trolling to own the libs, like a president does...

No, he said the US should have Greenland too, which is territory of Denmark.

I can't believe I forgot about that episode :/ This season is just so chock-full of content.

The writers are very creative, yet the overall arc of the season is so very cliche.

Listen to JD Vance speak about Europe, and listen to the way he bullied Trump into increasing bullying in this meeting, and you'll never think that.

If Ukraine signed this deal they would lose so many more lives than with what Zelensky did. I can't imagine how cowardly and easily fooled you'd have to be to think that giving into Russia will make the genocide stop.

Europe has spent more to help Ukraine than the US has.