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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by nwatson on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:38PM (#43210273)
Ukraine knows the future of warfare and will prosper if they survive this. They will be the ones with the technology and experience in future warfare, and the USA is throwing away a chance to partner with Ukraine and guarantee such a victory.

In 20, 15, or 7 years from now when terrorists are sending drones into medium-sized cities in Alabama to kill indiscriminately, it would have been better for the USA to have been on Ukraine's side.

EDIT: better grammar, maybe

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by aimanbenbaha on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:56PM (#43210648)
>In 20, 15, or 7 years from now when terrorists are sending drones into medium-sized cities in Alabama to kill indiscriminately, it would have been better for the USA to have been on Ukraine's side.

Spot on. This is what Zelenskyy implied when he said "now you have an ocean but one day you'll know how it feels". But the dumb kakistocrat commander-in-chief took it personally.

By the way remember the New Jersey drone sightings that spooked the East Coast for a week? That was likely the government secretly testing defense deployement against a hypotethical drone swarms attack.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by ralphhughes on Monday March 03, 2025 @09:24AM (#43242021)
I have assumed the same about the gatwick airport shutdown caused by drones in the UK in 2018. Newspapers saying "No culprit ever found" says "results of military exercise are classified" to me...
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by alabastervlog on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:51PM (#43210526)
The value of having a front-row seat to this, from a doctrine and R&D point of view, is staggeringly high. Anyone who's getting copied on the reports is going to be a full generation ahead of countries that aren't.

... that goes for Russia's partners, too. Meaning it's even more important for us.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by ludicrousdispla on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:14PM (#43211070)
that may be enough to sway US military leadership
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by kelnos on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:41PM (#43211694)
Trump is the commander in chief. Top military leadership who disagree with him will be forced to retire, and replaced with loyalists, if they haven't been already.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by jcgrillo on Friday February 28, 2025 @05:49PM (#43212779)
There's always the option of a coup
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by tmountain on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:14PM (#43213065)
The Democrats follow the rules if that's what you are saying...
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by eacnamn on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:14PM (#43213061)
The one in progress from Trump et al.?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by brandonmenc on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:12PM (#43213034)
Oh give me a break.

There's not going to be a coup against a President who is keeping us OUT of a foreign war.

Touch grass.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by cowboylowrez on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:42PM (#43215597)
I agree, no coup. On the other hand, if we the US keep changing alliances at the whim of what are essentially twitterheads, we could end up having ZERO allies.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by nwatson on Friday February 28, 2025 @11:20PM (#43215842)
Beau of the Fifth Column (Youtube channel for Justin King) would always emphasize (before he relinquished it all for his wife "Belle of the Ranch" to take over) that international relations are usually well-orchestrated, even between enemies, with speeches and releases using heavily coded language, to minimize the possibilities of conflict. Friends and enemies both would telegraph to some degree their intentions, their protestations, their agreements, and shifting policies ... very very carefully.

Trump, Vance, Musk ... have upended this all with their amateur hour antics. They are not serious people. They think they can rewrite the rules but they've bought us at least a decade of hurt and isolation on the international stage, and likely worse economic prospects for a while. Nobody will trust us, even if saner leadership comes round in a few years.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by etc-hosts on Friday February 28, 2025 @08:42PM (#43214614)
If Ukraine loses, the right wing militias will exit Ukraine, settle in Europe and start up The Years Of Lead Part 2.