Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by bgarbiak on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:59PM
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Uhm, that Polish plane wasn’t shot down. Don’t spread silly conspiracy theories.
Polish military spendings were rising steadily since long before the accident, but a significant increase happened after Russian full scale invasion on Ukraine.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by alephnerd on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:49PM
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Fair point about the Smolensk Incident - confused it with the Netherlands incident - but it was that incident that sparked Poland's fears about Russia again [0], and most of Poland's military buildup and modernization only began in the 2012-13 period after the partnership with South Korea kicked in [1][2]
[0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2015/0...
[1] - https://www.president.pl/president-komorowski/news/poland-so...
[2] - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10736700.2020.1...
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by etc-hosts on Friday February 28, 2025 @09:13PM
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When people tell me the Russians deliberately plotted to crash the Smolensk flight, I ask them to read
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/all-the-presidents-men-t...
Even Poland only started rearming after Kazynski's plane was shot down in Smolensk in 2010, Romania only started after Crimea and it's implications of a similar incident in neighboring Moldova in 2014, and Turkiye began due interventions in Syria and Libya that lead to Turkish and Russian soldiers fighting against each other in 2012-15.
Trump is absolutely wrong in publicly abandoning our European allies, but this is something every administration since 2008 has been saying would eventually happen.
The failed UK-France intervention in Libya should have been the warning call (France and UK's air forces couldn't disable Libya's A2AD and ran out of precision muntions, forcing the Obama admin to intervene and spark the Benghazi crisis which helped bring Trump into the Oval Office in 2016). In fact, that incident probably further emboldened Russia as Libya's military apparatus was heavily Russian/Soviet in armament and strategy.