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Re:Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay by doublerabbit on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:10AM (#43206452)
> I'm more offended by the idea that we should sit quiet and not do anything just because the status quo set up the rules in their favor.

Let's do something then. You lead the way and I'll follow.

Re:Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay by GlacierFox on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:19AM (#43206554)
No see that's where their ideals fall apart. They want YOU to lead the way. Go on lead the way, I'll follow.
Re:Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay by rglullis on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:33AM (#43206715)
I don't make any moral judgement unless I have Skin In The Game. In this particular case, you can follow me by joining the Communick Collective and pledging $20/month. Is that ok?

[0] : https://blog.communick.com/communick-collective-a-zero-commi...

Re:Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay by consumer451 on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:17AM (#43206534)
My personal Spotify alternative is KEXP, KCRW human DJs -> Bandcamp purchases.

If anyone else could share any other radio stations who still have living human disc jockeys, I would love to check them out. DJs are an amazing resource which should be cherished.

https://kexp.org

https://www.kcrw.com/music

I mean come on, this is all amazing. Forget the music recommendation machine algos:

https://www.kcrw.com/music/articles/pachyman-samia-steel-woo...

The next logical step is for one of us to make a Spotify clone which leverages these human DJs, and gives credit with links to station and artist Bandcamp.

https://claude.ai/share/7c277bf6-eb65-4148-979d-f76ee6027fb0

Re:Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay by icameron on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:45AM (#43206911)
Sure my share for knowledge live human DJs (about 75% of the time- they also have a few talk shows) is https://www.xray.fm/
Re:Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay by __MatrixMan__ on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:03PM (#43208536)
Here's a direction we could take: Content distribution should be decoupled from content attribution & payment. If I have a collection of torrented music, I should be able to play it in a way that looks up who deserves to be paid for it, and aggregates that data such that at the end of the month, the artist gets paid.

Let's build it and get a bunch of people using it and show the world that the pirates are willing to pay the artists more than Spotify is. At such a point, why wouldn't everyone avast payments to Spotify and hoist the jolly roger in the name of paying artists more?

If someone lead in that direction, would you follow? Would you use the player that made the payments happen? Would you seed the torrents that made the player work?

Re:Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay by rglullis on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:33PM (#43208837)
Let's just get rid of the idea that we should pay to listen any song. I don't want to have my listening habits quantified or used as a proxy for how much any work of art is worth to me.

We can make this super simple: we can still keep the subscription model, we just need to change the revenue sharing system. Let's just charge a base monthly fee for the streaming service itself (say $1/month) and let's add a monthly "pay what you want" amount where 100% of the value goes specifically to the artists you choose.

So, let's say that I pledge to give $10/month, and I spread that around some 10-15 artists, This means that 90% of the money I am putting into the system is going to the artists. Someone wants to give $20/month, it would mean 95% of the money going to the "right" hands. We wouldn't have to argue about what the "right" hands are because that is defined directly by the people voting with their wallets.

Re:Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay by __MatrixMan__ on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:28PM (#43210083)
Oh sure, I wasn't trying to propose that the coupling of usage to payment be mandatory. It's just that that's the setting I'd use because manually adjusting my payment settings sounds like work to me.

I'm just saying that paying the artist and handling the bits are totally separate things and if we want to challenge the existing model we should use something that decouples them in a way that demonstrates that the bad deal that artists are getting from Spotify is not the only option.

Re:Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay by rglullis on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:54PM (#43210590)
If you know the artists or anyone who would be interested to invest some time (and just a bit of money) to make this happen, let me know.

I have setup this system where people can set up how much they want to pay each artist per month (out of a fixed budget), and anyone that signs up to my service [0] gets an account on our Funkwhale server [1] where they can upload and promote their work. I take zero commission from these payouts, the only thing I need is to have content creators who prefer to pay a flat $29/year to have this instead of giving out 8%-12% of their earnings to Patreon.

[0]: https://communick.com

[1]: https://communick.stream