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Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by marcusverus on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @10:03PM (#43190879)
> Everyone but the most well off living conditions continue to decline.

This is objectively false.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

> Instead of the obvious problem that Inequality is rising

I'm old enough to remember when progs all shrieked that poverty was the big scary problem. Capitalism solved that with minimal expense. You know that scary 15% in poverty figure you hear during election season? That's based on census income data, which excludes ~90% of all welfare programs, even CASH programs like refundable tax credits!

So with poverty overwhelmingly sorted, they've moved on to inequality! But even calculations of income inequality are doped up--high earners incomes are counted BEFORE taxes, and low earners BEFORE benefits. Keep that in mind whenever progs advocate for more welfare spending--even if you give it to them, they won't count it! They exclude it from the very calculations which they use as evidence of the need for ever more spending!

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mempko on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @11:12PM (#43191284)
That's now how you measure inequality. Look here.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBSN40188

And

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBST01134

And

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SIPOVGINIUSA

You aren't looking at the right data. This is why it's so hard to educate the public about this, even intelligent people on HN get it wrong.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by marcusverus on Thursday February 27, 2025 @12:02PM (#43196193)
The GINI can be measured before or after taxes. The link you shared is after--this one is used in defense of the metric. A 'before tax' version[3] is invariably used when on offense.

Sure, wealth inequality is growing, but this isn't a problem, it's merely an emotionally resonant issue. The left love it for the same reason they lofted the 'poverty' banner for so long--it's a Philosopher's Stone. This particular stone hails from a failed German novelist and promises to transmute other people's money into votes!

Regardless, median income[0] and median net worth[1] are rising and poverty is in the doldrums--points which make it difficult to make an honest argument that we are in need of radical change.

[0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA646N [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOGZ1FL192090005Q [3] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gini-coefficient-before-t...

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mempko on Thursday February 27, 2025 @12:16PM (#43196338)
Ok, so you agree inequality is growing and but don't recognize it as a problem. Let me ask you something, when you are buying a house, and you are competing with multi-millionaires and billionaires for the bid, who do you think will win? There are limited amount of real assets available at any given time and wealth inequality means regular people hold less of the assets each year, making them poorer. If the vast majority of people are losing wealth every year, how is that not a problem?
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by Acrobatic_Road on Thursday February 27, 2025 @12:30PM (#43196476)
Not him, but I will reply on his behalf...

>There are limited amount of real assets available at any given time

This is correct.

>and wealth inequality means regular people hold less of the assets each year, making them poorer

This is not. New wealth is constantly being created. There isn't a fixed amount of pie on the table.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by olleromam91 on Thursday February 27, 2025 @01:21PM (#43196934)
Don't disagree that new wealth is being created, what matters when talking about quality of life and inequality, is who are the beneficiaries of this new wealth? Is it the already wealthy? If so, that's part of the positive feedback loop to drive inequality further. More assets, Yay. Held by fewer and fewer people over time. Boo.
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mrguyorama on Thursday February 27, 2025 @05:18PM (#43199153)
The new wealth is being created BY and FOR the already wealthy. That's literally what capitalism is! New wealth creation is certainly not driven by poor Steve who does not have money to start a new business or market his new IP.

How much of the money made by the Harry Potter Franchise went to JK rowling vs her publishers? Supposedly she got a 15% royalty rate, which is considered "High"

That should be revealing on it's own.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mempko on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:41PM (#43199860)
Yes, wealth is constantly being created, however let's look at the facts

- Market prices: ~15% annualized increase over the last two years

- House prices: 5-7% annualized increase

- Gold: 10-12% annualized increase

- Compared to GDP growth of only 2.1-2.7% annualized

If GDP growth is only 2.7% while the wealth of the top who own assets is up 15% annualized, where is the 12.3% coming from? It's coming the bottom.

We live in an economy that has wealth redistribution. It's being distributed from the majority to a small minority.

In other words, yes the pie is growing, but the slice of a the top 10% of the pie is growing much faster.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by araes on Thursday February 27, 2025 @12:56AM (#43191734)
Adding to @mempko's comment, in the most recent tax filing season data available, there were tax returns of:

                                        Top 1%       Top 5%      Top 10%       Top 25%       Top 50%   Bottom 50%  All Taxpayers
  Number of Returns                  1,535,899    7,679,495   15,358,991    38,397,477    76,794,954   76,794,954    153,589,908
  Average Income Taxes Paid           $653,730     $187,468     $108,251       $50,963       $27,891         $667        $14,279 
  Adjusted Gross Income (Millions)  $3,872,395   $6,182,180   $7,745,525   $10,613,602   $13,191,209   $1,531,038    $14,722,247
If we then break those into the actual groups, and numbers per group, then we find their Average Per Capita Income

                                             1          2-5         6-10        11-25        26-50       51-100
  Number of Returns                  1,535,899    6,143,596    7,679,496   23,038,486   38,397,477   76,794,954
  Income Taxes Paid (Millions)      $1,004,063     $435,594     $222,966     $294,234     $185,068      $51,225 
  Adjusted Gross Income (Millions)  $3,872,395   $2,309,785   $1,563,345   $2,868,077   $2,577,607   $1,531,038 
  Average Tax Rate                       25.9%        18.9%        14.3%        10.3%         7.2%         3.3%
  Average Per Capita Income      $2,521,256.28  $375,966.29  $203,573.91  $124,490.69   $67,129.59   $19,936.70
There are 76,794,954 making $19,936 on average. The filing thresholds are "single, under 65 = $12,950" and "head of household, under 65 = $19,400". Many of the bottom 50% of America would "barely" even qualify to file.
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by maeil on Thursday February 27, 2025 @01:08AM (#43191789)
One simple chart to rule them all.

https://archive.is/ZFnAT