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Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mmooss on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:24PM (#43189457)
> nationwide riots

That wasn't what was happening. Suppressing protest with soldiers - which is usually justified by dictators with the excuse of 'order' - is extreme and anti-freedom.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by cynicalkane on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:28PM (#43189496)
That was what was happening. In Minnesota, the governer and future Democratic VP candidate, Tim Walz, sent in the national guard to stop it.

The paradox of government force, and the need to manage that paradox, has been one of the foundational questions -- the foundational question to some -- of liberal philosophy since its first writers. Freedom isn't just freedom from the government, it's also freedom from others who might hurt you and destroy the place you live.

It's worth pointing out the Minneapolis police department completely abandoned the city to let burn.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by krsdcbl on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:36PM (#43189549)
supposedly idealistically opposed parties doing something that is in the sense of the argument doesn't prove the argument. Walz might very well have been just as wrong
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by rayiner on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:35PM (#43189545)
There were riots. Every store window in my wife’s office block was broken. During the Freddie Gray riots Governor Hogan called in the Maryland national guard and it was the most popular thing he ever did: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/04/27/402639082...
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mmooss on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:49PM (#43189663)
A few smashed windows is not a riot, nor nationwide riots, nor requiring doing what Cotton advocated. Popularity is certainly not at all a reason to suppress liberty.

I witnessed some of the 'riots'; what I saw was perfectly safe except for a very small physical area - maybe spots of, very approximately, 50 sq ft - and even there you were probably safe.

There was no danger to the public, some danger to some windows. I've seen worse in team victory celebrations. I saw much worse at the Capitol, where they were beating people and some died.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by rayiner on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @07:12PM (#43189840)
Destruction to the built environment is an offense against society. 25 people were killed in the riots and there was $2 billion in property damage. My neighborhood in Baltimore never recovered after the Freddie Gray riots. Our fro-yo place had the windows smashed in and closed. The coffee shop on my wife’s office block never reopened. The harm to the public lasts long after the rioting is over.

You didn’t see worse at the capitol, because that was a riot at a government building and private sector people were not at risk.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mmooss on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @07:47PM (#43190100)
> Destruction to the built environment is an offense against society.

If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society? Obviously not.

> 25 people were killed in the riots and there was $2 billion in property damage.

In the entire country? And is there a source for it?

Sorry about your fro-yo and coffee. The places I know have long forgotten the 'riots'.

> private sector people were not at risk.

People died. Does it not matter because they worked for the government? How about the democracy and government of people in the private sector? I think boiling it down to property is much too convenient.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by rayiner on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @07:55PM (#43190162)
> If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society?

If you do it on purpose, yes.

> Sorry about your fro-yo and coffee. The places I know have long forgotten the 'riots'.

There’s tons of evidence that riots lead to long term depopulation of the neighborhoods where they happened.

> Does it not matter because they worked for the government?

Yes. This is America, not Europe: https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jeffers...

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mmooss on Thursday February 27, 2025 @02:50AM (#43192244)
> > If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society?

> If you do it on purpose, yes.

Well I guess "an offense against society" is undefined, but that is an extreme reaction. There are matters of degree in everything, and those degrees are everything. The state prosecutes lots of crimes, from shoplifting to mass murder - to call them all "an offense against society" becomes meaningless.

> > Does it not matter because they worked for the government?

> Yes.

Killing people doesn't matter if those people work for the government. Wow.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by abduhl on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @11:42PM (#43191433)
>> If someone crashes into a streetlight, is that an offense against society? Obviously not.

That’s literally what it is. That’s why the court case is styled State/Commonwealth/People v. Streetlightcrasher. You can quibble about whether the government “is” society but that argument makes you sound like a fringe libertarian.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mmooss on Thursday February 27, 2025 @02:52AM (#43192248)
I think we are getting into a philosophical debate of literalism. Other than that, nobody would call it "an offense against society".
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by abduhl on Thursday February 27, 2025 @10:52AM (#43195486)
It sounds like you don’t understand what the word “offense” means. The literal meaning of offense is a crime. If you crash into a street light and damage it (purposely, probably also negligently) then it is literally an offense against society.

offense: an illegal act; a crime

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/offen...

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mmooss on Thursday February 27, 2025 @12:52PM (#43196675)
That's what I meant by literalism.
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by whatwhaaaaat on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @07:11PM (#43189836)
Can you really make these claims when streamers for months were showing people looting? What about chop? What about that federal courthouse in Portland?

My city had 100s of stores ransacked with groups of cars with 100s of people all working together. Say what you want about opportunists - riots happened.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mmooss on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @07:54PM (#43190161)
> chop

?

> federal courthouse in Portland

What about it? Did it burn down? How many were injured?

> streamers for months were showing people looting

It's interesting that people criticize the professional news media, then believe whatever they see on social media.

> riots happened

I expect some did, depending on the definition of riot, but that's not 'nationwide rioting' and a call to use the military to suppress the great majority of peaceful protests.

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by rayiner on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @09:54PM (#43190826)
There was rioting in many major cities and it was absolutely appropriate to call in the national guard to put a stop to it. My family didn’t leave Bangladesh to put up with third-world behavior like that.
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by mmooss on Thursday February 27, 2025 @02:53AM (#43192252)
Protest isn't third-world behavior, and part of being in the US is not restricting other people's liberties - regardless of your personal preferences and outrage.

If they are harming others or causing significant material damage, that's another story, but even that is a matter of degree (especially the latter).

Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by edoceo on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:12PM (#43189358)
It was in 2020, James resigned. The opinion piece by Tom Cotton called for a overwhelming show of force against protesters.
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by ProcNetDev on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @06:40PM (#43189590)
That was bad. This is also bad.
Re:Bezos Exerts Control of WaPo Opinion to Focus on Personal... by rayiner on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @07:31PM (#43189989)
No it’s not. Riots are bad. Free markets are good.