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Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by rayiner on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @12:45AM (#43168601)
How would you propose rewriting it that wouldn’t just mean “less democracy” and “more control by credentialed elites?”
Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by aragilar on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @02:10AM (#43169089)
Some suggestions:

* Drop the electoral collage * Proportional and/or preferential voting * Term limits/retirement ages * An independent electoral organisation with real teeth to prevent gerrymandering (and verify the election) * Free and easy voter IDs (if ID are ever required) * All election days are public holidays, with requirements to allow workers on the day to vote * Compulsory voting (works in AU) * Minimum number of polling booths per X people * Absentee voting * Changing to a parliamentary system where the president is a figurehead

Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by rayiner on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:36AM (#43173244)
Agree with many of these. But changing to a parliamentary system would make the GOP even stronger: they won the House popular vote in 8 of the last 13 elections, including comfortably both in 2000 and 2016.

But there is no such thing as an “independent electoral organization.” The Framers never credited the idea of an “independent” body that could be trusted to be somehow “above politics.” That’s why the constitutional government is like a game of rock paper scissors. Everything can be checked by everything else.

Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by aragilar on Thursday February 27, 2025 @03:06AM (#43192297)
I suggest you look at other countries' electoral organisations and their processes, and how they are used to prevent gerrymandering.
Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by kergonath on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @02:10AM (#43169086)
The thing is, the current situation is "more control by credentialed elites". Way more than at any point since at least WWII. It’s just that the elites are oligarchs who kneeled before Trump. He is the only one giving credentials.
Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by rayiner on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:42AM (#43173347)
Musk isn’t a credentialed elite—someone who holds power by virtue of attaining credentials to run an organization or institution with regulatory power. Musk holds power by virtue of having a populist cult of personality.

The credentialed elites are the Ivy League graduates who go work for government and do things like have the SBA make loans to minorities that white people aren’t eligible for: https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/court-rules-biden-admin-di.... They’re the ones who see, for example, immigration and affirmative action as moral causes—even though most voters oppose both—and have injected those ideas into all our government programs, corporate HR, etc.

What happened is that a plurality of voters decided that they’d rather have billionaire industrialists in charge than the Ivy League pencil pushers.

Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by Braxton1980 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @01:42AM (#43168924)
Are you sure that any change to address the recent issues would always result in those two outcomes?

Also, Elon Musk is the richest elite in the world so it seems we already are at the bottom of the problem.

Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by rayiner on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:38AM (#43173279)
But the power Musk holds isn’t the result of him being rich, it’s because he has a populist cult of personality. The candidate who spent twice the money lost the election. Musk has power because he got on stage with Trump in Pennsylvania promising to fire all the federal workers.
Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by turtlesdown11 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @11:43AM (#43174180)
Absolutely incorrect. Musk holds power because he spent $290m on the election boosting the winning candidate.
Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by rayiner on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @05:34PM (#43178446)
But the money didn’t win the election.
Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by turtlesdown11 on Friday February 28, 2025 @08:34AM (#43205384)
source?
Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by unclebucknasty on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @06:08PM (#43178715)
>Musk has power because he got on stage with Trump in Pennsylvania promising to fire all the federal workers.

From Gallup [0]—top issues among all registered voters:

The economy

Democracy in the U.S.

Terrorism and national security

Types of Supreme Court justices candidates would pick

Immigration

Education

Healthcare

Gun policy

Abortion

^^Taxes

Crime

Distribution of income and wealth in the U.S.

^^The federal budget deficit

Foreign affairs

Situation in Middle East between Israelis and Palestinians

Energy policy

Relations with Russia

Race relations

Relations with China

Trade with other nations

Climate change

Transgender rights

^^Items under which "firing all federal workers" could conceivably fit, and that's a massive stretch. Still, even with that generosity granted, they're 10th and 13th on the list.

[0] https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-...

Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by rayiner on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @12:52AM (#43181057)
If you look at polling, Trump voters prioritized democracy slightly more highly than Harris voters. The permanent government is a democracy issue.
Re:Everyone at NSF overseeing the Platforms for Wireless Exp... by unclebucknasty on Thursday February 27, 2025 @11:44AM (#43196022)
Not even Trump or Musk is making this claim as the driving purpose of DOGE.