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Re:It is no longer safe to move our governments and societie... by tensor on Sunday February 23, 2025 @12:28PM (#43151155)
There is already a decent cloud industry in Europe. OVH has been around for decades, and many companies in North America even use them because they are often a bit cheaper. But you also have newer players like Scaleway and CDNs like Bunney.net that are growing fast.

I think the harder services to replace are things like Github and O365/Google Workplace.

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Re:It is no longer safe to move our governments and societie... by aerhardt on Sunday February 23, 2025 @01:29PM (#43151718)
"Cloud" is not boxes like OVH and Hetzner sell. Cloud is a gigantic software layer offering all kinds of features and abstractions.

I think it'd be faster and cheaper to replicate GitHub or even Office, which are complex but fairly feature-stable, than to offer a real cloud competitor with a fraction of the services that Amazon, Microsoft or Google offer in their cloud portfolios.

I heard an interesting thought on the Lex Friedman podcast though. If software engineering really becomes cheaper and more readily available thanks to AI, maybe more companies will start building more of their own services. Then, maybe then, will the European enterprise be able to wean itself off from the big cloud vendors.

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Re:It is no longer safe to move our governments and societie... by tensor on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:01PM (#43226372)
I know what Cloud is, and OVH has a cloud, with many of the same services as AWS. Even Bunny can be configured via terraform. So the reality today is that AWS and other cloud offerings have strong alternatives, but Office and Github don't.
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Re:It is no longer safe to move our governments and societie... by rahkiin on Sunday February 23, 2025 @01:31PM (#43151740)
How does Scaleway measure up these days?

Are there good resources for comparing clouds with sovereignty in mind?

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Re:It is no longer safe to move our governments and societie... by matt-p on Sunday February 23, 2025 @01:22PM (#43151634)
Are OVH decent? I'm not entirely sure that they're even passable and what other options would you have in Europe?
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Re:It is no longer safe to move our governments and societie... by everfrustrated on Sunday February 23, 2025 @04:22PM (#43153341)
https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/10/ovh/
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