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Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by insane_dreamer on Sunday February 23, 2025 @01:05AM (#43147074)
Wait, I thought the GOP was the party of fiscal conservatism and reducing the deficit? Shouldn't they be reducing the debt ceiling rather than raising it?
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by alabastervlog on Sunday February 23, 2025 @02:04AM (#43147325)
They’re the party of saying that, but then cutting taxes and launching insanely expensive very-optional wars paid for by credit card. This is just what they in-fact do when given a chance.

They claim to want to reduce the deficit, but are also committed to pretending that the best and least-painful ways to do that just don’t exist. So. Kinda hard to actually do it.

They only care about deficits when a democrat wants to pay for sick children’s medicine or something.

Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by kelnos on Sunday February 23, 2025 @03:56AM (#43147903)
If you think that, then they've been successful at their usual smokescreen: blame Democrats for deficit spending, and then when the GOP is back in power, they do... more deficit spending. Sometimes even more deficit spending. Somehow a lot of people seem not to notice that.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by scott_w on Sunday February 23, 2025 @01:44AM (#43147245)
Like the Conservative Party in the UK, I’ve yet to see evidence of them actually reducing the spending deficit in my lifetime.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by hamburglar on Sunday February 23, 2025 @02:56AM (#43147570)
It’s no accident that you have been led to think that. But it isn’t true.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by imtringued on Sunday February 23, 2025 @03:43AM (#43147836)
You don't seem to understand how the game works.

Public sector liabilities are private sector assets. GOP is the party of billionaires and billionaires want more money, so they demand lower taxes and greater deficits.

Two birds with one stone.

Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by robertlagrant on Sunday February 23, 2025 @05:15AM (#43148245)
I'm not sure if this is true any more, or if it is it's nominally true. But Democrats certainly have a lot of wealth - Kamala Harris raised about $1.4bn to Trump's $700m in her campaign, and in record time.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by anonym29 on Sunday February 23, 2025 @01:30AM (#43147185)
They absolutely should be. The legislature is not representing the will of the voters and refusing to do what's right for society as a whole and pass term limits for themselves. It's not complicated. Those who vote yes are reasonable, ethical, moral people, and those who vote no leave behind a permanent legacy of boundless self-interest.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by rbanffy on Sunday February 23, 2025 @06:40AM (#43148602)
That solves a symptom, not the problem. You need stronger legislation against lobbying, campaign financing, and investing by representatives.

If that works, the incentive to be a representative is reduced and there won’t be people who make it into a profitable career against the interests of the people.

Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by anonym29 on Sunday February 23, 2025 @03:39PM (#43153010)
I agree wholeheartedly. I think addressing any of these - term limits, lobbying, campaign finance reform, congressional insider trading - is a good thing and we should be wanting to address all of them. RepresentUs had a really good platform for this up until COVID, then seemingly all of their credibility around genuine bipartisanship disappeared and the old open-minded, respectful, cross-aisle cooperative spirit was just thrown straight out the window. I was very disappointed by this.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by miohtama on Sunday February 23, 2025 @04:20AM (#43147992)
GOP is not what it used to be
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by blitzar on Sunday February 23, 2025 @04:38AM (#43148074)
Always was
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by rbanffy on Sunday February 23, 2025 @06:37AM (#43148589)
Well… technically the Democrats and the GOP changed sides on things such as civil rights and slavery, so it’s hard to say they always were like that. The people yes, but not the label.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by throw0101a on Sunday February 23, 2025 @10:46AM (#43150069)
> Well… technically the Democrats and the GOP changed sides on things such as civil rights and slavery, so it’s hard to say they always were like that.

That switch was in the 1960s:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Pre-1960s the racists were mixed between the two parties to a varying degree. In the 1960s the GOP decide to actually go after / court the racist voter.

Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by rbanffy on Sunday February 23, 2025 @11:29AM (#43150534)
I believe it was more complicated than that, with some moving around since the 1930’s at least. I think the 1960’s civil rights movement just made it painfully obvious.

Having said that, Americans seem to be extremely pragmatic when it comes to voting, not ruling out someone for being a terrible human being if their policy proposals make sense to the voter. I wish Americans would be more ideological and principled in that situation.

Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by porridgeraisin on Sunday February 23, 2025 @02:18PM (#43152212)
> I wish ...

Interesting. Coming from a country where most people vote purely based on their ideologies, I wish they would vote more for policies. Grass, green, etc, I suppose.

Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by chriscrisby on Monday February 24, 2025 @09:45AM (#43160155)
How can you say that when 20 million more democrats showed up for Biden than Obama, Hillary and Kamala. Seems like the racists are still democrats.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by philjohn on Sunday February 23, 2025 @04:44AM (#43148106)
The last president that drove a budget surplus was Clinton, a Democrat.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by dworkr on Sunday February 23, 2025 @09:43AM (#43149562)
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by throwaway2037 on Sunday February 23, 2025 @09:45AM (#43149577)
Google tells me that was fiscal year 1998.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by throw0101d on Sunday February 23, 2025 @07:28AM (#43148807)
> Wait, I thought the GOP was the party of fiscal conservatism and reducing the deficit?

This has not been true since Reagan. The US political right has been selling economic bullshit since the 1980s:

> Ronald Reagan launched his 1980 campaign for the presidency on a platform advocating for supply-side economics. During the 1980 Republican Party presidential primaries, George H. W. Bush had derided Reagan's economic approach as "voodoo economics".[21][22] Following Reagan's election, the "trickle-down" reached wide circulation with the publication of "The Education of David Stockman" a December 1981 interview of Reagan's incoming Office of Management and Budget director David Stockman, in the magazine Atlantic Monthly. In the interview, Stockman expressed doubts about supply side economics, telling journalist William Greider that the Kemp–Roth Tax Cut was a way to rebrand a tax cut for the top income bracket to make it easier to pass into law.[23] Stockman said that "It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,' so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."[23][24][25]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics#Reagan_...

It's the same snake oil as "shareholder value" being most important thing:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_doctrine

Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by smegger001 on Sunday February 23, 2025 @09:03AM (#43149293)
only when the other team wins the presidency. when they are in the white house they spend as much as they want deficit be damned.
Re:DOGE's Only Public Ledger Is Riddled with Mistakes by ipython on Sunday February 23, 2025 @07:12PM (#43154534)
No need to worry about running deficits when the tax cuts realized by the richest individuals and corporations “trickles down” to the rest of us. Still waiting for that magic rain…