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Re:Apple Pulls Encrypted iCloud Security Feature in UK by zxcvgm on Friday February 21, 2025 @11:36PM (#43136154)
Well, WhatsApp backups claim they are E2E encrypted, but there’s a flow that uses their HSM for the encryption key, which still feels like some escrow system.

https://engineering.fb.com/2021/09/10/security/whatsapp-e2ee...

Re:Apple Pulls Encrypted iCloud Security Feature in UK by wkat4242 on Saturday February 22, 2025 @09:19AM (#43139127)
True but you can choose to store the key completely yourself. That fixes a big backdoor that's been around for ages.

The biggest problem remaining to me is that you don't chat alone. You're always chatting with one or more people. Right now there's no way of knowing how they handle their backups and thus the complete history of your chats with them.

It's the same thing as trying to avoid big tech reading your emails by setting up your own mailserver. Technically you can do it but in practice it's pointless because 95% of your emails go to users of Microsoft or Google anyway these days.