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Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by netdevphoenix on Friday February 21, 2025 @11:23AM (#43129360)
Why do pro-privacy tech folks on here act like Apple is some charity? Apple is a business. It won't fight a citizen's fight on your behalf. It is on citizens to use their democratic power to ensure their representatives act as the voting base wants. Apple's goal is to make money. The government is a representation of your will.
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Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by haswell on Friday February 21, 2025 @11:56AM (#43129870)
> Apple is a business. It won't fight a citizen's fight on your behalf.

Being a business does not remove ethical considerations. And I’m an environment where corporations are considered people, it seems reasonable to expect some degree of alignment with normal citizens.

> Apple's goal is to make money. The government is a representation of your will.

The government is increasingly not a representation of the collective will, and is instead captured by those corporations.

I can’t help but feel the “but they exist to make money” line too often ignores the many ways this is not a sufficiently complex explanation of the situation.

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Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by netdevphoenix on Friday February 21, 2025 @12:10PM (#43130079)
Corporations are people in the legal sense not in any other philosophical way. Just like non-humans proposed for personhood, they are not entities expected to behave ethically. Like a dog, you set rules and apply punishments when they breach it. You don't argue ethics with a dog because they are not relevant to them
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Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by kennysoona on Friday February 21, 2025 @12:11PM (#43130090)
> where corporations are considered people,

People always get this wrong. Corporations are not people. They just have certain rights like owning property. Corporate personhood != full personhood.

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Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by lowbloodsugar on Friday February 21, 2025 @12:13PM (#43130128)
lol. It literally does. This is a great example. You believe this is an ethical issue. Other shareholders (you are a shareholder, right?) could disagree and now there is a lawsuit. “Complying with national law” seems like an easy win for them.
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Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by v3xro on Friday February 21, 2025 @04:56PM (#43133539)
Because while a business goal is to make money, it is not necessarily, unlike what you have 80% of the people here believe, to make the most money possible. Ethics can exist in businesses too.
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Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by aqueueaqueue on Friday February 21, 2025 @05:00PM (#43133588)
This, plus privacy is in Apple's brand. Without this and other Apple-esque things (lack of bloatware etc.) you may as well get a Samsung for 2/3 price.
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Re:Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government secu... by hu3 on Monday February 24, 2025 @07:47AM (#43158922)
> Why do pro-privacy tech folks on here act like Apple is some charity...

Because Apple marketing keeps relentlessly bashing their customers skull that privacy is their advantage?

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