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Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by barbazoo on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:16AM (#43116513)
Did they mention which tax payers those 20% will be going back to?
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by smallmancontrov on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:27AM (#43116695)
Small temporary income tax cuts, big permanent capital gains tax cuts.

Always has been, always will be.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by CyrsBel on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:35AM (#43116794)
So far they said 20% refunds, 20% against the debt, and the rest...presumably they are determining to what extent to put that into tax cuts and the other two buckets some more. This way everyone wins, assuming their savings so far are sustainable and annualized.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by smallmancontrov on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:48AM (#43116970)
No, suggesting that you have found $100B in fraud without having found $100B in fraud is still bad, even if the 1/1000th that they did find (I'm being generous here) is real goes into tax cuts / debt.

Also, the capital gains taxes ARE low and the income taxes ARE high, so just paying down the debt and other "even-handed" measures are less even-handed than a refund.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by larkost on Thursday February 20, 2025 @02:49PM (#43119277)
While I agree with you on the opinion that capital gains taxes are low (I should not be paying less on my winnings from bets on the stock market than I am on the income from my work). I think you need to justify the opinion that income taxes are high.

Personal income taxes are the larges revenue source for the U.S. Government, so it is the main way we have decided to tax ourselves. Arguably it is one of the most steerable, and we have long health that progressive taxation is for the common good (as much of a mockery as some high-income individuals have made of that).

So with that as the background, the U.S. ranks towards the bottom of the OCED countries in taxes vs. GDP. Yes we get less than the citizens of the countries paying the most, but not that much less.

https://taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes-co...

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by pqtyw on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:56AM (#43117114)
> 20% against the debt

That seems insignificant when their other proposed policies are intended to massively increase that debt?

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by SmirkingRevenge on Thursday February 20, 2025 @03:44PM (#43119925)
The rampage isn't going to save money on net, and even if it did, it would amount to a fart in a hurricane.

Like.. we could just personally tax Elon a little bit more while changing nothing else and recover more money, most likely.

Elimination (or indefinite pause) of the CFPB that was a trade of 21 billion in consumer savings for like 750 million in expenses.

If they wanted to improve efficiency, there's an easy place to start: the IRS. And you wouldn't start by firing, you'd start hiring lots and lots of people.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by CyrsBel on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:21AM (#43116599)
Not yet as far as I've seen.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by lesuorac on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:36AM (#43116795)
Here you got then - https://docs.house.gov/meetings/BU/BU00/20250213/117894/BILL...

Spoiler: Nobody is _directly_ getting a refund. That money will be less than the planned increase in the deficit. (This is the house's budget bill which is the supported version of the president unlike the senate's version).

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by SrslyJosh on Thursday February 20, 2025 @02:48PM (#43119262)
Yep, and even if they weren't planning on just ignoring the deficit (as republicans always do when they're the ones doing the spending), any money "saved" by these assholes was going to go straight into the pockets of Musk, Trump, and their assorted superrich cronies.