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Re:Grok3 Launch by latexr on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:22AM (#43089786)
> It's much better to have an "expensive compute" problem than a "nobody wants to pay for the product" problem.

That is only true is your primary concern in life is personal wealth and you’re burning other people’s money.

Re:Grok3 Launch by spacebanana7 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:38AM (#43089971)
YouTube is an optimistic example.

The bandwidth costs made it deeply loss making for a long time despite having loads of engagement and ad revenue. However over time they became more cost efficient at sending video over the internet and became profitable.

This strategy obviously doesn't always work, with WeWork being the canonical example. But it's not guaranteed to fail either.

Re:Grok3 Launch by crocowhile on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:46AM (#43090846)
YouTube did not have competitors and certainly not open source competitors.
Re:Grok3 Launch by sebzim4500 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @01:24PM (#43093247)
This is a bit before my time but I remember a bunch of competitors to YouTube. They just all sucked.
Re:Grok3 Launch by sebastiennight on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:39PM (#43144009)
I was there when YouTube became a thing, and I was running a music video-hosting website that I had built myself (on top of phpBB, even). We were encoding videos in Windows Media and RealPlayer formats.

There were LOTS of funded competitors to YouTube between 2006 and 2009, including Viddler (who paid Gary Vaynerchuk a small fortune to host his WineLibraryTV show there exclusively), DailyMotion (which is still alive today, although no longer a threatening contender), etc.

In 2009 I had a coaching business and was buying marketing courses and software which would deploy your videos across 40+ different video websites (including Google Video which was a separate thing until they acquired YouTube and merged those), and YouTube wasn't yet amounting to 50% of our video traffic.

I think you might be mistaken with the bold statement above.

Re:Grok3 Launch by athrowaway3z on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:53AM (#43090929)
YouTube's network effect creating a winner-take-most was recognized, pitched, and valued from the very start.

The capabilities of LLMs are impressive, but none of them have published an idea I consider to have the same potential for a trillion $ monopoly that the current hype looks like.

There are far more similarities with the dot-com hype.

No critical first mover advantage in sight. All parts are replaceable for the cheapest variant with little to no down side to users.

Re:Grok3 Launch by Gothmog69 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @12:10PM (#43092225)
They bought youtube for 1.65 billion which is pennies on the dollar compared to what it is worth today.
Re:Grok3 Launch by latexr on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @12:33PM (#43092563)
Technically true, though in fairness it is unlikely the original owners would have gotten YouTube to where it is today. On the other hand there are companies who didn’t recognise they were nothing more than passing fads, refused buyouts, and crumbled.
Re:Grok3 Launch by bloomingkales on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @01:40PM (#43093437)
The monopoly is that no human can ever create anything again without AI. It’s the same psycho trap we put women in, where a vast majority of them will never feel comfortable without makeup.
Re:Grok3 Launch by athrowaway3z on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @02:43PM (#43094107)
You could have asked any one of the dozen available LLMs to review this comment.

Most of them would have responded by explaining what a monopoly is, and why this reply makes little sense.

Re:Grok3 Launch by bloomingkales on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:47PM (#43094894)
You don't have a monopoly on the word monopoly. I can use it in another sentence if you like, but I won't spell it out for you.
Re:Grok3 Launch by mike_hearn on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:20PM (#43095261)
It wasn't obvious at the time YouTube would have a network effect though. It was very dependent on coming up with a great recommendation algorithm, along with monetization and revenue sharing. At the time, YouTube didn't have anything like that, iirc.
Re:Grok3 Launch by athrowaway3z on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:31AM (#43113146)
Even the basic front page of youtube was of immediate and obvious value to a creator, and would increase disproportionately in value the more people were on YouTube. The same goes for Amazon, and the same goes for Facebook.

All the LLM providers are - extremely useful - tools. Currently I can only see the 'non-monopoly' proportional improvement when their userbase grows from 100 to 1000.

But I might be wrong, and I wouldn't be surprised if in hindsight it will be obvious what the real disproportionate advantages there were to be found.