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Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ... by lupusreal on Monday February 17, 2025 @08:22PM (#43085075)
They had a whole tactical team available but sent in one guy, unbriefed, to make a traffic stop. For what purpose, if not to draw out a violent reaction so the rest of them could jump right to the part where they get to chase a cop killer rather than a mere smuggler? They cynically engineered a scenario where they got to feel heroic with minimal personal risk, by first sending one of their own to his death.

They didn't even tell the guy to expect a violent reaction. Of course they didn't, because if they had he would have rightly refused.

Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ... by nkurz on Monday February 17, 2025 @09:05PM (#43085334)
I appreciate the info, hadn't heard about the Jarott case, and I hadn't considered this possible angle. That said, I don't think Maland was alone when he was shot. Details haven't been released, but the initial reporting was clear that multiple officers were involved.

Here for example is the AP: "Youngblut got out and opened fire on Maland and other officers without warning, the FBI said. Bauckholt tried to draw a gun but was shot, according to the affidavit. At least one border agent fired on Youngblut and Bauckholt, but authorities haven’t specified whose bullets hit whom."

https://apnews.com/article/vermont-border-patrol-shooting-wh...

Have you seen any later reporting that contradicts this?

Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ... by MichaelZuo on Monday February 17, 2025 @08:49PM (#43085256)
How is this more plausible then any of the alternative explanations?

e.g. the decision makers could be incompetent, they might not care that much, they had some other contradicting information not publicly revealed, etc…

Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ... by ashoeafoot on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @01:35AM (#43086701)
They? There is no they. No plan. No conspiracy . Just a guy who gets up in the morning to write speeding tickets to fill a counties chest, while also filter feeding for outstanding warrants running into two armed psychos.The observation team (aka sigint fat dude) has zero connection to the traffic cop.
Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ... by lupusreal on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @06:17AM (#43088301)
At least in the case of Darian Jarott, he absolutely was directed by his boss to pull over the smuggler. "A State Police supervisor had asked Jarrott to pull over Cueva-Felix at the behest of federal agents" https://apnews.com/article/officer-killed-new-mexico-highway...

In the case of David Maland, the chance of it being a completely normal "traffic stop" by a federal border patrol agent (who's job is not to fill the counties chest by writing tickets, as you incorrectly state), completely unrelated to these people being under surveillance at the time for being armed and in tactical gear, is dubious to put it mildly.