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Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by tombert on Friday February 14, 2025 @07:32PM (#43054622)
> Just two days ago the DOGE committee stated that they discovered 2.7T of improper payments in Medicare and Medicaid to people overseas. 2.7T is a nontrivial amount of money.

I don't know how true this is, and if there really is 2.7T of "improper" payments, then yeah that needs to be stop.

The issue is that Musk just makes shit up. All the time, I genuinely think it might be a pathological problem. He lies about everything. He said "full self driving" would be available in Tesla "next year" in 2018, he claimed he'd have stuff on the moon by 2022, he faked a press release about robots, he publicly posted about taking Tesla private to drive up the stock price. I could go on, but I don't want to spend three hours typing this out.

So if DOGE is claiming 2.7T of Medicare fraud, it's tough for me to take it seriously because Musk is known for constantly lying. He also has shown a complete lack of understanding of very basic US civics. So even if he isn't "lying", it's entirely possible that he just doesn't understand what the fuck he's talking about, and declaring all this stuff as superfluous.

Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by lesuorac on Friday February 14, 2025 @06:44PM (#43054323)
> I would love to hear justifications for things like this and how they help US global influence.

Largely the justification is the programs don't do what Musk says they do.

You've got to understand the source of your information is from habitual liars. The Tesla's autopilot [1] marketing video still starts of with "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself". That person in the driver's seat had to take control of the car numerous times include one time where the car drove off the road and struck a fence. These are not people whose word you can take at face value.

Anybody can throw together a list but it doesn't make it real.

[1]: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by Dig1t on Saturday February 15, 2025 @12:05AM (#43056037)
You can look them up on the actual government website:

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_72052024FA00001_7...

> ACTIVITY TO STRENGTHEN TRANS-LED ORGANIZATIONS TO DELIVER GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE

This is 2M of my tax dollars that was/is being sent to Guatemala for gender affirming care. Which is sex change operations and hormones.

Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by ModernMech on Saturday February 15, 2025 @12:50AM (#43056236)
Why did you leave out the rest?

> ACTIVITY TO STRENGTHEN TRANS-LED ORGANIZATIONS TO DELIVER GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE, ADVOCATE FOR IMPROVED QUALITY AND ACCESS TO SERVICES, AND PROVIDE ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

It's 2M for a lot of things. And let's be real, you didn't pay 2M in taxes, you don't really get to say this is "your" tax dollars. This is a lot of people's money, and they may want their money to go to these things. Why do you get the final say?

Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by lesuorac on Saturday February 15, 2025 @11:30AM (#43059766)
Ignoring the fact you left off the rest of the description (as pointed out by another commenter) which also means that like $2 could go towards that purpose and $1,999,998 to something else (also $2M hasn't been spent; just $350,000 per your own link ...).

The quote you have starts of with "Activity to strengthen" which is uh incredibly vague. Like if you provide say _leadership training_ that sounds like an activity that could strengthen an organization as well as create individuals that could organize to promote Democratic values in their home country and promote good will towards the US for helping them out (unlike say what goes on in Iran). So there's so far no evidence it's surgery or pills.

Even if it is strictly gender-affirming care that does not mean it's surgery and pills. Gender affirming care is more vague than that [1].

And then finally, even if somehow none of the funds are for "ADVOCATE FOR IMPROVED QUALITY AND ACCESS TO SERVICES, AND PROVIDE ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT OPPORTUNITIES." (the part you left off) and the funds for "ACTIVITY TO STRENGTHEN TRANS-LED ORGANIZATIONS TO DELIVER GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE" are strictly for surgeries; there appears to be ~0.95% of the US identifying as transgender so spending 0.0000002% of the federal budget seems uh fair (or really 0.00000006% of the federal budget because it's over 3 years while the budget is annual).

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Ol' Musk isn't working at Tesla, SpaceX, SolarCity, or any of his other companies right now. He has the time to ask people and figure out if it's actually sex-changes or something else (it's always something else btw).

[1]: https://opa.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/2025-02/gender-affir...

Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by Dig1t on Saturday February 15, 2025 @12:07PM (#43060121)
“Advocate for improved quality and access to services”

The “services” here is gender affirming care. What does it mean to “advocate”? Why are my tax dollars being used for this?

Yes it is vague, the vagueness just helps to strengthen the argument that this is probably a waste of taxpayer dollars.

> just $350,000

“ONLY 350k”

Dude 350k is a lot of money, and yeah, by canceling the contract we actually saved the American tax payers the remainder of the money. This is great news and we can use that money towards paying down the national debt or returning it to the hardworking American people.

I want none of my tax dollars to go towards any part of the description.

Your argument seems to be “it’s not very much money”. And you’re not understanding that we the American people do not want any of our tax money being wasted on this. This is why you lost the election, and in the long term you will continue to lose future elections if you don’t change the attitude towards this stuff.

Answer the question honestly, if a politician campaigned on promising to send taxpayer money for gender affirming care in foreign countries, do you think that they would get more or less votes on net because of it?

> so spending 0.0000002% of the federal budget

The only acceptable % of my tax dollars that should go to a foreign nation for trans care is 0%.

I pay a lot of taxes, and the signaling from the left is always that I need to “pay my fair share” and that taxes are so good because they are used to pay for roads and bridges and schools etc.

But when we actually start examining where the dollars are going we get into weird arguments about soft power and gender affirming care in foreign nations. And your arguments for paying our fair share don’t hold up at all anymore because these dollars are not even going to help Americans, this is basically charity for foreign countries. It’s easy to be charitable when you’re spending other people’s money. I bet you are not donating your own personal money to “advocate” for gender affirming care in Guatemala.

Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by lesuorac on Saturday February 15, 2025 @01:56PM (#43061140)
> The “services” here is gender affirming care. What does it mean to “advocate”? Why are my tax dollars being used for this?

You should ask Elon Musk since he brought up the program and has the ability to actually ask people on it what it's about.

It should really be telling that the heads of say USAID have been replaced with politically sympathetic individuals and yet they can't surface any memos or etc that are red flags and instead have to rely on portions of headlines?

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> Dude 350k is a lot of money,

If somebody has a severed artery and also a paper cut you need to ignore the paper cut to repair the artery.

There is a significant amount of time being wasted on saving 0.000000004% of the federal budget. There are straight up 4 solutions to balancing the budget and none of this nickel and dimeing will get close (especially after the next round of Trump tax cuts).

1 - Cut Military

2 - Cut Medicaid / Medicare

3 - Cut Social Security

4 - Raise taxes to pre-Reagan levels

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> It’s easy to be charitable when you’re spending other people’s money.

1) Elon doesn't pay anything in taxes [1] so he really should't have a say in how they're spent.

2) Compromise / Pork Barrel [2] is largely how congress works; you get votes on things you want in exchange for things other people want. Reneging on things congress as a group agreed to later on is bad faith.

3) There hasn't been any evidence provided that the program wasn't authorized by congress or isn't achieving any policy goals.

[1]: https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trov...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel

Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by DrillShopper on Saturday February 15, 2025 @02:03PM (#43061206)
Are you this stupid naturally or do you take some sort of Alex Jones supplement to help with it?
Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by claudiulodro on Friday February 14, 2025 @06:55PM (#43054391)
The "$47,000 transgender opera in Colombia" for example was a production of an award-winning opera that the US Embassy in Colombia sponsored. It's diplomacy.
Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by DiggyJohnson on Friday February 14, 2025 @07:09PM (#43054478)
Neutral party here: who wanted that? Award-winning doesn’t mean anything standing alone, unfortunately.
Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by nielsbot on Saturday February 15, 2025 @08:53AM (#43058482)
who wanted diplomacy?
Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by DiggyJohnson on Saturday February 15, 2025 @11:06AM (#43059526)
Who wanted a trans themed opera
Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by nielsbot on Sunday February 16, 2025 @04:04AM (#43066568)
someone doing diplomacy. what’s the problem with supporting an opera?
Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by SpicyLemonZest on Friday February 14, 2025 @06:42PM (#43054294)
Who is Mark Buffington, and why should I trust that his “recent web information” is an accurate and representative sample of spending that DOGE has cut? The official doge.gov site provides no breakdown other than a Twitter stream and an empty savings tab, although they claim on this lovely Valentine's day that "receipts" will be coming "no later than Valentine's day". Big if true!
Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by unethical_ban on Friday February 14, 2025 @06:57PM (#43054400)
Here's my take:

You can audit all of this without immediately shutting down in-flight programs that save lives. You can say "we're going to go line by line and cut programs that we think are not properly spent".

But they in their arrogance, ignorance, malice, or all three, have been on an ideological war against agencies as a whole. Musk brags about trying to destroy 18F and the IRS free file system. They're trying to tear apart the entire department of education. They're trying to fire anyone who isn't explicitly loyal to the wannabe dictator in chief.

And I'll tell ya, it's not because of spending.

Let me be clear: there are right ways and wrong ways to cut spending. Doing it illegally with a bunch of unvetted fake-ass hackers and by stopping all government functions and installing loyalists isn't the way to do it.

>I am so far definitely satisfied with the progress.

I don't think it's good for the country to shut down agencies illegally on a whim, set up the mayor of NYC to be blackmailed at the drop of a hat, pause enforcement of foreign bribery laws, or hire political loyalists as tools of retribution to lead the DoJ and FBI.

But what do I know about helping the middle class or maintaining our place in the world?

Re:Doge.gov site has been hacked by NotMichaelBay on Friday February 14, 2025 @09:28PM (#43055305)
> idk how we can have the mindset that this is all pointless, if you never make any effort to cut wasteful spending

So you've never heard of the Government Accountability Office, huh? This is literally its purpose.