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Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by latexr on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @03:12PM (#43029266)
> on being teleported to the 1950s?

That’s not the argument. At all. I argued we should rethink our attitude of unfettered consumption so we don’t continue on an path which is provably leading to destruction and death, and your take is going back in time to nuclear war and overt racism. That is frankly insane. I’m not fetishising “the old days”, I’m saying this attitude of “more more more” does not automatically translate to “better”.

Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @03:20PM (#43029345)
You said "all this 'progress' is not leading to better lives." That implies lives were better or at least as good before "all this 'progress'."

If you say Room A is not better than Room B, then you should be, at the very least, indifferent to swapping between them. If you're against it, then Room A is better than Room B. Our lives are better--civically, militarily and materially--than they were before. Complaining about unfettered consumerism by falsely claiming our lives are worse today than they were before doesn't support your argument. (It's further undercut by the falling material and energy intensity of GDP in the rich world. We're able to produce more value for less input resource-wise.)

Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by latexr on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @03:28PM (#43029422)
> You said "all this 'progress' is not leading to better lives." That implies lives were better or at least as good before "all this 'progress'."

No. There is a reason I put the word in quotes. We are on a thread, the conversation follows from what came before. My original post was explicit about words used to bullshit us. I was specifically referring to what the “unscrupulous people at the top” call “progress”, which doesn’t truly progress humanity or enhances the lives of most people, only theirs.

Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by vladms on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @05:03PM (#43030228)
There are many people claiming many things. Not sure which "top" you are referring to, but everybody at the end of a chain (most rich, most political powerful, most popular), generally are selected for being unscrupulous. So not sure why you should ever trust what they say... If you agree, just ignore what most of what those say and find other people to listen to for interesting things.

To give a tech example, not many people were listening to Stallman and Linus and they still managed to change a lot for the better.