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Re:Leaking the email of any YouTube user for $10,000 by vladms on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @08:27AM (#43025190)
I would challenge you to give me examples where security feels "real" and how does that help.

Most software products rely on very complex software stacks, and if you trust 100% all the libraries and the OS you use I would say it's a wrong mindset. There were bugs even in the processor (meltdown). Security is a continuous battle and you never know if you won, only (sometimes) if you loose.

Re:Leaking the email of any YouTube user for $10,000 by tialaramex on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @08:48AM (#43025375)
You can tell security is real the same way as lots of other things, reality doesn't give a fuck. Like how you can tell the difference between man's laws (e.g. "The Offside Rule" or "Constitutional Rights") and Mother Nature's laws (e.g. Thermodynamics). Try it, kick the ball even though the rule says you mustn't - if you get lucky the referee doesn't notice and play continues. But if you try to make a system more ordered without expending energy it does not work. Reality doesn't give a fuck.

When I breeze through your login process with the wrong credentials that's because your security was fake, if it was real that would break because it didn't know who I was, so if some bug lets me past login I don't somehow successfully log in as me, I'm logging in as nobody at all which is clearly nonsense.

This is "Make Invalid States Unrepresentable" at scale, and it's difficult to do, but not impossible.