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Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by swarnie on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @05:00AM (#43023743)
It been that way for... 300 years?

Those with the biggest economies and/or most guns has changed a few times but the behaviours haven't and probably never will.

Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by computerthings on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @05:08AM (#43023785)
That's what Europeans thought for centuries, until Germany overdid it. Then we had new ideas, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human...
Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by FirmwareBurner on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @05:54AM (#43024057)
The declaration of human rights, like a lot of other laws, declarations and similar pieces of paper signed by politicians, have zero value without the corresponding enforcement, and are often just there for optics so that taxpayers feel like their elected leaders are making good use of their money and are on the side of good.

And the extent of which you can do global enforcement (which is often biased and selective) is limited by the reach of your economic and military power.

Which is why the US outspends the rest of the world military powers combined and how the US and their troops have waged ilegal wars and committed numerous crimes abroad and gotten away with it despite pieces of papers saying what they're doing is bad, but their reaction was always "what are you gonna do about it?".

See how many atrocities have happened under the watch of the UN. Laws aren't real, it's the enforcement that is real. Which is why the bullies get to define the laws that everyone else has to follow because they have the monopoly on enforcement.

Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by pjc50 on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @07:10AM (#43024531)
> Laws aren't real, it's the enforcement that is real

Well, yes. This is why people have been paying a lot of attention to what exactly "rule of law" means in the US, and what was just norms that can be discarded.

Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by computerthings on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @06:29AM (#43024285)
The same is true for the HN comment I replied to, which was basically going *shrug*, but also without any army to enforce that. So I pointed out that some people went beyond just shrugging, because it could not go on like this; and here is what they wrote. Just reading these things does a person good, and to stand up for these things you first have to know them.
Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by gyomu on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @05:05AM (#43023767)
If you’re making sweeping statements like that, why the arbitrary distinction at 300 years? What happened then? Why not say “since the dawn of humanity”?
Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by lucky1759 on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @05:13AM (#43023819)
It's not some arbitrary distinction from 300 years ago, it's something called "the Enlightenment".
Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by gyomu on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @07:42AM (#43024811)
The bullies with most guns and biggest economies have been in charge since the Enlightenment? Huh?
Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by swarnie on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @07:03AM (#43024491)
I was keeping it simple for the majority.
Re:US and UK refuse to sign AI safety declaration at summit by kabouseng on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @05:13AM (#43023820)
Probably referring to the period that pax Britannia and pax Americana have been the global hegemon.