Re:DeepScaleR: Surpassing O1-Preview with a 1.5B Model by Sc...
by zamadatix on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @04:41PM
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It's already good accomplishment as it is but I think it'd be very surprising to show training such a small model as a generalist scales to the same magnitude as specialized finetuning. At some point you have to fit more background data and relations in the same amount of information space... but it's hard to say how much that is the case for a given size vs what we just haven't optimized yet. Unfortunately I think that will have to wait for someone with more compute before we can verify this * a dozen one way or the other :).
Side question, since it sounds like you were involved: how big is the impact on benchmarks of taking this 1.5B model down from fp32 to fp8 or similar? The focus on parameters alone sometimes feels like comparing house sizes by their lengths alone. And, if you were indeed involved, thanks for making all of this open and available!
Re:DeepScaleR: Surpassing O1-Preview with a 1.5B Model by Sc...
by mluo on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @05:19PM
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For quantization, very big impact for small models, can drop at much as 10% on AIME. Our model does best on bfloat16 ;)
Come checkout our repo at: https://github.com/agentica-project/deepscaler
Re:DeepScaleR: Surpassing O1-Preview with a 1.5B Model by Sc...
by numba888 on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @07:10PM
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o1 is more than just math solver. And you cannot possibly train that much in a small model.
However smaller specialized models looks to be the right way to handle world's complexity. Sort of mixture of experts on one level above. Orchestrating them will be another problem. Possible solution is generalists model "to rule them all".
Re:DeepScaleR: Surpassing O1-Preview with a 1.5B Model by Sc...
by mdp2021 on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @07:29PM
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Have you considered the very practical importance of running specialized models for specialized tasks on common hardware (maybe a couple of CPU cores in a couple GB of RAM)?
Re:DeepScaleR: Surpassing O1-Preview with a 1.5B Model by Sc...
by numba888 on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @03:00AM
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Small models are just tools. Even many of them will make only a toolset. They don't evolve in AGI by themselves. But putting them together in a structure (brain) may result in something close. Like big smart calculator. It takes more to create a 'character' similar to, say, terminator.
Re:DeepScaleR: Surpassing O1-Preview with a 1.5B Model by Sc...
by rvnx on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @05:32PM
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It is great discovery, it could even open a next step in AI with MoM "Mixture of Models", where small fine-tuned models take each part of a task (instead of the current MoE)
Re:DeepScaleR: Surpassing O1-Preview with a 1.5B Model by Sc...
by mluo on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @05:34PM
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Check out one of my prior work: https://stylus-diffusion.github.io/
This work scales up selection/routing over many models/LoRAs
If you want to make the model fully generalist, feel free to train it over coding datasets (such as RL with passing unit tests as reward).