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Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by barumrho on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:13PM (#43007708)
Shouldn't this problem self-regulate, though? Ultimately, investors mainly care about the returns and if you can get better returns elsewhere due to these fees, they will switch.

If they can charge large amount of fees and still stay competitive, then good on them, right?

Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by financetechbro on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:31PM (#43007883)
Perhaps. But HF capital is usually locked down for a few years. So there is some friction to switching
Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by ptero on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:10PM (#43008169)
True, but I believe (although last explored this question a long time ago) that the majority of the capital is not locked.
Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by financetechbro on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @11:40AM (#43014928)
Quick search shows current lock ups range from 6mo to 2yr. There are also some funds that have withdraw limits and short windows for doing so (I.e. once a quarter perhaps), but of course these tighter restrictions are only relevant for the funds that have the clout to implement them
Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by jfengel on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:34PM (#43007918)
There's a lot of friction. You won't switch based on one year, which would just leave you chasing last year's lucky winner (who will likely revert to the median next year). It takes a long time to realize that your hedge fund is a loser.

The whole point of a hedge fund is for you to let someone else do the worrying. So the market is decidedly inefficient.

Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by chii on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @12:10AM (#43009211)
> It takes a long time to realize that your hedge fund is a loser.

it's been many decades since the existence of statistical analysis of hedge funds (as an aggregate) that demonstrates their lack of edge over benchmark passive index funds.

Some hedge funds would still out-perform. Most don't, and those who do tend to charge fees up to their level of edge, and leave only index-benchmark returns for their investors.

If you don't heed this evidence now, you deserve to lose money to these funds.

Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by testval123 on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @12:43AM (#43009384)
The purpose of a hedge fund is to ‘hedge’ ie deliver alpha and not index beating returns. Obviously the fee issue is another layer.
Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by jfengel on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @09:39AM (#43025827)
That was the original idea. They realized that they could also run the risk equations in reverse and make index beating returns, at least in the short run, and pretend that they could also do it in the long run. Hedge funds got a reputation as overpowered mutual funds for the wealthy.
Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by comboy on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:04PM (#43008137)
It's kind of like buying lottery tickets from a vendor and when you win, but he steals the winnings, you switch to another one.

Except, also, you don't actually ever see the tickets.

Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by bushbaba on Monday February 10, 2025 @10:07PM (#43008488)
Depends on if there’s capital gains tax when leaving the firm.
Re:Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains wi... by k-i-r-t-h-i on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @04:07PM (#43018378)
> Ultimately, investors mainly care about the returns

Not quite. It also matters how and when returns are generated. Some vol funds make 1–3% a year on average, but they still manage billions because when markets crash, they (presumably) crush it — and that’s when investors need them the most