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Re:Modern-Day Oracles or Bullshit Machines by TeMPOraL on Sunday February 09, 2025 @01:03PM (#42992269)
> It’s really an ideal term to describe what LLMs do.

Only when you relax it to the point it also describes what most people do.

To be specific: if by "truth" you mean objective, verifiable truth, and by "caring about truth" you mean caring about objective, empirically verifiable evidence, then by far most people are mostly only ever trying to be persuasive.

Re:Modern-Day Oracles or Bullshit Machines by anon373839 on Sunday February 09, 2025 @11:02PM (#42996803)
I hope you don't actually mean that. It's a cynical, sad, and - quite frankly - false thing to believe.
Re:Modern-Day Oracles or Bullshit Machines by TeMPOraL on Monday February 10, 2025 @04:41AM (#42998609)
Why? I don't have a problem recognizing that "being convincing" to the right people is a very good way of learning and verifying knowledge about objective reality. Just because it's by proxy, doesn't mean it doesn't work. This is how every one of us learns most things, and what's really sad to me is deluding yourself into thinking we're more special than that.
Re:Modern-Day Oracles or Bullshit Machines by anon373839 on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:12AM (#43000502)
Honestly, it just sounds to me like you’ve come up with some axioms in your mind about the “fundamental nature” of humanity - and then granted yourself the luxury of certainty about them. That, with a dash of misanthropy, is something I’ve been seeing more and more on HN these days.