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Re:S1: The $6 R1 Competitor? by janalsncm on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @01:59PM (#42953398)
I think a lot of people in the ML community were excited for Noam Brown to lead the O series at OpenAI because intuitively, a lot of reasoning problems are highly nonlinear i.e. they have a tree-like structure. So some kind of MCTS would work well. O1/O3 don’t seem to use this, and DeepSeek explicitly mentioned difficulties training such a model.

However, I think this is coming. DeepSeek mentioned it was hard to learn a value model for MCTS from scratch, but this doesn’t mean we couldn’t seed it with some annotated data.

Re:S1: The $6 R1 Competitor? by insane-c0der on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @02:40PM (#42953965)
Do you have a reference for us to check? - "DeepSeek explicitly mentioned difficulties training such a model."
Re:S1: The $6 R1 Competitor? by janalsncm on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @03:48PM (#42954882)
Section 4.2: Unsuccessful attempts

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.12948