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Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by sweeter on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @07:35PM (#42941616)
I mean going to school for 10 years only to be in debt for 100K-300K+ dollars, and not have a good idea of whether you will be able to pay that back... is a massive problem. Most countries don't have this issue, for example. They have an abundance of doctors and engineers, because people who actually want to do those things, are able to pursue those careers without financial investment. We are snubbing an entire generation of people and then acting surprised when the very obvious consequences of those actions start to come back to bite us. Its the definition of insanity.
Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by wqaatwt on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @10:09PM (#42943215)
> They have an abundance of doctors and engineers

They are usually paid several times less than people doing the same jobs in US.

Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by hattmall on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:38PM (#42943877)
I don't really see why that would be a problem.
Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by ajbourg on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @01:31AM (#42944679)
It's fine if you're starting from nothing.

But we wouldn't be starting from nothing. There's a large group of people who would lose income and who will lobby against that.

Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by fefferkorn on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @01:49AM (#42944816)
But in other countries they dont need to pay so much for social system, insurance or healthcare, kindergarden and so on.. You can not always compare everything with money, when there is a lot around it.
Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by wqaatwt on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @10:37AM (#42950002)
Would you rather spend 10% of 50k on healthcare or 15% of 100k?

Also taxes are generally much higher in these countries as well.

Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @10:42AM (#42950106)
Taxes are usually higher, but not incredibly so. Healthcare spending is generally less for better results. Switzerland spends the most, although nowhere near what America spends, and is where Romney/heritage foundation got the mandatory health insurance idea from.
Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by wqaatwt on Friday February 07, 2025 @11:40AM (#42974661)
Well yes, Switzerland is pretty much the only place in Europe where income/wages are overall on par with those in the US (of course not in all sectors). Other countries are generally very poor in comparison.

> Taxes are usually higher, but not incredibly so

So again.. would you rather make 60k and pay 45% in taxes or make 100k and pay 35%?

> nowhere near what America spends

Sure, if you are above median higher will likely more than compensate the higher healthcare costs (unless you’re very unlucky of course).

Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by otikik on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @03:49AM (#42945799)
But their cost of life is also lower.
Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by wqaatwt on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @10:39AM (#42950033)
Is it? Housing in Paris, London, Munich, Toronto, Vancouver etc. is extremely expensive relative to income of course other stuff varies.
Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by otikik on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @01:37PM (#42953073)
Apples to apples. If you take the extremes in Europe, you have to take the extremes in the US as well. London and Paris most be compared to New York or San Francisco, not with Cheyenne (Wyoming).
Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by wqaatwt on Friday February 07, 2025 @11:44AM (#42974694)
Yes, exactly. Why do you think I meant something else?
Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by otikik on Sunday February 09, 2025 @04:39PM (#42994311)
Because New York and San Francisco are more expensive than Paris and London.
Re:America desperately needs more air traffic controllers by nradov on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @10:20PM (#42943287)
It's hardly "most countries". The USA is about average for developed countries in terms of physicians per capita. We're higher than France, Belgium, UK, Japan, Canada, etc.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS?most_rec...