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Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by blackeyeblitzar on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:37AM (#42934687)
> We've spent the last 80 years (ostensibly) talking about how great representative government is, then we let people own a majority of voting shares so that they can run companies like dictatorships.

I think it’s basically admitting that the right dictator, if they are there based on merit, can really perform better than someone who wins by their skill at campaigning. Forget voting shares - even when a single person doesn’t have that amount of control, you have a small board elected by shareholders who is essentially electing a dictator.

Personally I think most companies would do far worse if rank and file employees selected the CEO. But I haven’t thought much about it. Curious what ideas HN has on this aspect.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by lenerdenator on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:41AM (#42934768)
I don't see it much of an admission of anything, personally. The admission would have had to come as an answer to a question that was never asked. To me, it's more of a way to keep the ruling class in place. It used to be done through government, now it's done through corporations.

And honestly, the corporation is a far more attractive model if you're in that racket. Rioters don't burn down corporate HQs, they burn down police stations. Public sector pay sucks. The corruption would be far too obvious... well, it would have been until relatively recently.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by benxh on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:54AM (#42935055)
To prove you right, you can read up on the incredible giga-brained countrywide experiments by Kardelj in Socialist Yugoslavia [0]. The result being a country where no-one wanted to work, and everyone had a great standard of living (while the IMF didn't call in its loans). And then the entire country collapsed all at once under the accumulated mismanagement.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_self-management#Yug...

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by bdndndndbve on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:19PM (#42935496)
It's wild to me that despite tremendous resources and 100+ years of time capitalism still kills millions of people a year with starvation and preventable diseases. But every right winger has a pet wikipedia page about a failed communist state with no critical examination of why they failed beyond "communism bad".

To clarify my stance I'm an anarchist and that page has a lot of good examples of successful worker owned collectives.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by zemvpferreira on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @01:03PM (#42936190)
To me it's equally as wild that you say such a thing when no system in human history did as much as capitalism to alleviate hunger and disease. In fact all other systems combined still can't touch the progress we've made to eradicate famine and disease while "under capitalism".
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by satvikpendem on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @05:30PM (#42939958)
There are good critically examined rebuttals if you actually look for them beyond Wikipedia which is not designed for that purpose. I read a book recently called Socialism: the failed idea that never dies, and while it has a clickbait title, the arguments are pretty cogent as to why people throughout history want to enact socialism based systems and why they eventually fail.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by chii on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:16PM (#42943713)
> capitalism still kills millions of people a year with starvation and preventable diseases

as if somehow, it's the responsibility of those capitalists to ensure those starving people have food and diseases cured - for nothing in return.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by BriggyDwiggs42 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @12:39PM (#42964632)
Why else do we even bother making a society?
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by wat10000 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:19PM (#42935501)
The advantages of democracy are a peaceful transition of power and non-violent outlets for political action. That is to say, you don’t have to worry about a succession war when the king dies, and if people don’t like what the government is doing they tend to advocate and vote rather than try to overthrow it.

These advantages don’t really apply to companies. Your life isn’t tied to a company the way it is to your government, so if you don’t like how they chose the leader or what they’re doing, you can leave.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by Slackwise on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:36PM (#42935760)
> Your life isn’t tied to a company

Health insurance isn't tied to a company? Your ability to survive and feed your family isn't tied to your company? Lack of opportunities in the job market? Lack of equal salary/benefits at alternative companies? Non-competes, H1-B visas....

> so if you don’t like how they chose the leader or what they’re doing, you can leave.

Just one small thing Ben: leave to work for who? Who isn't hiring CEOs and running businesses the same way as everyone else?

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by wat10000 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:40PM (#42935825)
Please don’t quote half a sentence and then argue with it when the second half is an important qualifier.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by t-writescode on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @02:13PM (#42937185)
Many of these are uniquely American problems, and the many of the people and especially the highest in power in the United States have chosen and continue to choose to bind all of that to the company you work for (or don't).
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by satvikpendem on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @03:45PM (#42938339)
Yes, it's ironic that a democracy has exactly created the situation they lament about, the lack of universal healthcare. Unfortunately there is no political will to do it, while ironically an autocrat could cut through the red tape and get it done, as it had been enacted in several Asian countries in the last half century.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by glitchc on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:45PM (#42935916)
You truly do get the best and the worst with dictators, as history has shown.
Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by furyofantares on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @01:49PM (#42936816)
> I think it’s basically admitting that the right dictator, if they are there based on merit, can really perform better than someone who wins by their skill at campaigning.

Sure. But also there are big differences between companies and countries/government.

Companies compete in a market. There isn't much of a marketplace for country/government. This is a check on individual power, and forces the company to perform somewhat in alignment with what we want as a society. Concentration of power (monopoly) is still an issue in a market and so we regulate the market.

The "dictator" of a company answers to both the market and to regulators, making it less dangerous as a concentration of power than an actual dictator.

Related, it is totally okay for companies to fail, and they regularly do. We are a lot less okay with governments failing.

Companies can also serve a niche. Governments need to serve their entire population. Governments are tasked with all sorts of collective action problems for diverse groups with varying opinions; companies get to pick their market. It's unclear that CEOs tell us much about a dictator trying to serve a population with a range of opinions.

Re:DoppelBot: Replace Your CEO with an LLM by lenerdenator on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @02:31PM (#42937389)
> The "dictator" of a company answers to both the market and to regulators, making it less dangerous as a concentration of power than an actual dictator.

Well, kind of. On occasion they participate in regulatory capture making them really only accountable as they care to be given the circumstances.

If you have a market cornered on AI-powered, autonomous, robotic leg-equipped chainsaws, and the regulatory environment is weak because you've lobbied for the right rules and the right enforcers of those rules, you could very possibly just have a bad quarter if those chainsaws' AI sees people as trees and starts chasing them around. Maybe not even that.

Meta would be a good real-world example. It's just less interesting to imagine.