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Re:New York claims a small victory in 'forever war on rats' by orwin on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @08:32AM (#42932074)
Unions have obligations in the US. You can't organize a protest or strike for other professionals. You _have_ to follow some rule before and after a strike. You cannot "just stop working" (because some industrial processes, when let down, can destroy the whole factory). The right the unions got are written in blood, and honestly in the US, it seems to me they control workers a lot more than they protect their rights, at least since the 70s.

In any case, the US should destroy the unions by removing all legislation preventing work organization or giving them special rights, and let them reform as grassroot unions (your "old club that people can form") and let them grow from this point.

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Re:New York claims a small victory in 'forever war on rats' by eru on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @08:47AM (#42932271)
> You cannot "just stop working" (because some industrial processes, when let down, can destroy the whole factory).

Well, people in any old club can "just stop working". But they are facing contractual penalties including getting fired. And I think that's fair.

> In any case, the US should destroy the unions by removing all legislation preventing work organization or giving them special rights, and let them reform as grassroot unions (your "old club that people can form") and let them grow from this point.

Yes. Though removing the special legal rights (and the few obligations) from unions would basically destroy them.

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Re:New York claims a small victory in 'forever war on rats' by orwin on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @05:56PM (#42940336)
You seems to believe unions appeared out of nowhere. Just remember that the NRA was initially created to limit firearms access for workers. When unions as they exist in the US are destroyed, something else might take their place. Hopefully it won't be new Luigi's but a better work organisation.
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Re:New York claims a small victory in 'forever war on rats' by eru on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @12:28AM (#42944215)
> You seems to believe unions appeared out of nowhere.

No, why?

The British monarchy also didn't spring out of nowhere, but that doesn't mean Britain couldn't turn into a republic, if they wanted to change their laws.

Here in Singapore we barely have any unions, or rather in practice unions barely have any influence.

Compare also https://pseudoerasmus.com/2017/10/02/ijd/

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