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Re:US Bill Proposes Jail Time for People Who Download DeepSeek by unclebucknasty on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:00AM (#42928205)
The First Amendment famously has limits, which have been tested and and held, repeatedly. These limits generally arise from conflict with other rights or societal good. On the latter point, obscenity is one of the most well-known exceptions. The government can and does make laws against it.

The idea that a foreign, adversarial government would have a Constitutional right to propagandize our citizenry at-scale is obviously not consistent with the societal good, so is outside of the First Amendment's scope/intent.

If you want to make an argument that it's not happening, that's one thing. But, your assertions about TikTok having some blanket "right" here are false.

Re:US Bill Proposes Jail Time for People Who Download DeepSeek by Defletter on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @03:18PM (#42938008)
> The idea that a foreign, adversarial government would have a Constitutional right to propagandize our citizenry at-scale is obviously not consistent with the societal good (or the "common defense", for that matter), so is outside of the First Amendment's scope/intent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamont_v._Postmaster_General

Re:US Bill Proposes Jail Time for People Who Download DeepSeek by unclebucknasty on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @04:34PM (#42955506)
In this case, a U.S. citizen sued, not the Chinese government.

Again, foreign governments don't have a Constitutional right to propagandize our citizenry.

Re:US Bill Proposes Jail Time for People Who Download DeepSeek by Defletter on Thursday February 06, 2025 @01:46PM (#42965253)
You seem oddly enthusiastic about giving your government the right to violate freedom of speech for entities you do not like, thus removing a platform used both as a platform for speech and for commerce, for 150 million Americans. It totally makes sense to violate the First Amendment over unproven and hypothetical fears of FYP algorithm misuse. Enjoy your slippery slope :)
Re:US Bill Proposes Jail Time for People Who Download DeepSeek by unclebucknasty on Thursday February 06, 2025 @04:36PM (#42966743)
Feel free to re-read my comments and address my actual statement, pointing out that your initial assertion is wrong. That, versus changing the subject.

>Enjoy your slippery slope

There's certainly a slippery slope here—and a strawman, but they ain't mine.

Re:US Bill Proposes Jail Time for People Who Download DeepSeek by Defletter on Thursday February 06, 2025 @06:31PM (#42967570)
You just refuse to accept that entities that you do not like also have Freedom of Speech rights. You continue to believe that Freedom of Speech is a positive right to people, rather than a negative right against the government. You are therefore perfectly fine with preemptively suppressing the speech (and commerce) for over a hundred million American citizens, because you perceive a threat from the FYP algorithm, because you do not value the Freedom of Speech rights of entities you do not like. That is a slippery slope. If you don't want to recognise that either, that's your prerogative.

At this point, why even have a negative-right Freedom of Speech if you're just going to treat it like a positive right anyway? Ridiculous.

Re:US Bill Proposes Jail Time for People Who Download DeepSeek by unclebucknasty on Thursday February 06, 2025 @09:42PM (#42968686)
No need to keep repeating yourself. SCOTUS has already ruled:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-tiktok-ban/

So, feel free to take it up with them.

This is my last reply. Thanks for the chat. Take care.

Re:US Bill Proposes Jail Time for People Who Download DeepSeek by Defletter on Friday February 07, 2025 @08:15PM (#42979404)
Yup, the composition of the Court has changed, thus its stance has changed. But if you choose to defer any and all thought to this Court, who consistently give the government wide latitude to do whatever it wants so long as it invokes the magic words "national security", that's your prerogative. It's a sad way to live though.