Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by psunavy03 on Monday February 03, 2025 @12:54PM
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There is no state income tax . . . yet. But the "soak the rich" band is already tuning up, and with the cost of living being what it is out here, "rich" will probably include anyone who can afford a house.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by filoleg on Monday February 03, 2025 @02:35PM
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There are attempts at it at least once every decade, and every time they get squashed in the very end, even if they are passing the vote and get pretty much to the finish line. Any form of taxing it is against state constitution, and the state struck down any previous attempts at loopholes around that provision of the constitution.
I agree with the sibling comment that this is not something to realistically worry about at all.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by lotsofpulp on Monday February 03, 2025 @05:37PM
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> Any form of taxing it is against state constitution
The WA state constitution says non uniform property taxes are not allowed, and 1930 WA Supreme Court ruled income was property.
A flat income tax would have been allowed, until last year when income tax was outlawed, but not with enough votes to amend the state constitution.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by lotsofpulp on Monday February 03, 2025 @12:58PM
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I would not be too worried about that. Washington legislators just outlawed income tax last year. While those who want earned income tax are vocal, the support for the initiative against income tax was so widespread that the politicians did not want it on the ballot for fear of voters being swayed to vote for the other ballot initiatives.
https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_2111,_Prohibit...
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by psunavy03 on Monday February 03, 2025 @01:56PM
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I wasn't just referring to income tax, but things like capital gains and so forth. The state Supreme Court ruled an excise tax on capital gains was not an income tax, and though the limit is like $250K currently, that could change. And the party that runs Washington is the one that's currently on the warpath about "rich tech bros."
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by filoleg on Monday February 03, 2025 @02:38PM
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They’ve been on that warpath since the glory days of msft and amazon (i.e., for multiple decades at least). All with that same party running things back then in WA. All they’ve accomplished is shooting themselves in the foot here and there, without any meaningful progress.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by lotsofpulp on Monday February 03, 2025 @02:32PM
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Yes, that (and the LTCi payroll tax) was some nonsense and does bring into question the integrity of the leadership. But the 2111 legislation gives me hope that they aren’t stupid enough to get rid of the states’ most attractive feature for a young, productive workforce.
Especially in a future where young, productive people are going to be in shorter and shorter supply.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by tzs on Monday February 03, 2025 @04:20PM
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But note that support of the ballot initiative to repeal the capital gains tax was not widespread. 63% voted to reject it and keep the tax.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by bityard on Monday February 03, 2025 @09:23PM
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I'm confused by this. I live in Michigan and have been paying state income tax ever since my first job.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by GenerWork on Monday February 03, 2025 @09:55PM
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I think the parent is referring to Washington State, not Michigan.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by wing-_-nuts on Monday February 03, 2025 @02:11PM
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I had previously looked at the PNW. I adore seattle , but the earthquake / tsunami / wild fire risk projections are extreme. I know they're retrofitting a lot of infra and housing there, but a cascadia fault quake / tsunami is gonna be a bad time even if fema's 'everything east of I-5 is toast' is overhyped.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by ghaff on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:37PM
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At some point, you need to do the pro/con analysis. If you add minimum natural disasters risk, based on when I knew something about datacenter siting details, you were looking at maybe Las Vegas area (which also has access to Hoover Dam power). But, now, you're in extreme desert heat (predictably) in the summer and probably don't tick off a lot of other considerations either.
Re:'It's buzzing here': Detroit's revival takes shape after ...
by screye on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @09:33AM
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Seattle to Japan is 11 hours. (It's 15 hours from nyc) Were you thinking of Hawaii?
The west coast isn't near anything. Most of Asia is 16 hours away, which is the same for NYC.
I will go point by point.
The good:
* According to their own Climate Vulnerability Assessment[0], the region is fairly resilient to the impacts of the climate change.
* There is no lake effect snow (despite being adjacent to multiple fantastic lakes). I’ve lived there for 7 years, and the amount of snow was much less than even in places like Atlanta. The amount of rainfall is ridiculously small too (despite the stereotype), and it is usually just drizzle that doesn’t necessitate even an umbrella 99% of the time. It got nothing on typical east coast rains that just pour like hell. I was able to commute to work on motorcycle for about 90-95% days of the year. For any east coast city I’ve been to (ATL/NYC/DC), I don’t foresee that number being even above 50% (most of the time it would be either too cold or too hot or too rainy/snowy/dangerous).
* UW is a very popular and common option for continuing education opportunities. Had friends who would take classes there for fun outside of work, just to fill gaps in whichever topics they were curious about (typically math). Seems like there is a large population that does this, and UW is a great school.
* Public library system is the best I’ve experienced hands down. Free, many accessible locations, and libraries even have stuff like 3d printers and hackerspaces available for anyone’s use.
* Had plenty of friends who lived there with no car for years, and they have zero plans to ever buy one. Especially with the public transit lightrail having some really significant expansions completed recently (with many more nearing the completion; the lightrail to eastside is something i am personally excited for)
The mixed:
* Reasonable cost of leaving is the one plus-minus I mentioned. The minus is that it isn’t cheap. It is much cheaper than Bay Area/NYC/etc., but it is still a major city area. The plus is that there is no state income tax. So, in retirement, your 401k withdrawals would not get any taxes skimmed off on the state level. This point is by far the biggest potential concern I have as far as Seattle being a good suggestion for you.
The bad:
* While the weather is amazing temperature/precipitation-wise year-round, clear skies and sun outside of summer are not that common. Grey skies for more than half of the month during winter eventually got to me.
Bonus points:
* If you are into outdoorsy stuff (skiing/snowboarding/hiking/kayaking/lake stuff), I cannot think of a better area. So many options within just a couple of hours. Hell, Discovery Park (calling it a park feels like a misnomer, because it is a massive cliffside forest, fields, and a beach) is just a 15 min drive from downtown.
* Flying to asian countries is much faster and cheaper than from east coast (13 hour non-stop flight to Japan from NJ vs. a 7-8hr flight from Seattle).
0. https://seattle.gov/documents/departments/opcd/seattleplan/s...