Re:Datasets from Data.gov Have Disappeared
by rightbyte on Saturday February 01, 2025 @01:54PM
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I think quotes like this should be attributed to the character (the secret police commissaire?) not the author?
Re:Datasets from Data.gov Have Disappeared
by Terr_ on Saturday February 01, 2025 @04:01PM
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Alternately, if there were two layers of quoting (here, adding a >) then the outer layer would more-clearly refer to the book, rather than the lines of the character.
Re:Datasets from Data.gov Have Disappeared
by matwood on Saturday February 01, 2025 @02:14PM
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Including 1984 in the cite makes it clear IMO.
I referenced 1984 in comment this morning related to websites disappearing. We’ve (always|never) been at was with Eurasia…
Re:Datasets from Data.gov Have Disappeared
by rightbyte on Saturday February 01, 2025 @02:18PM
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Ye I get that but my main point is that it is not Orwell the real person that is quoted, but a fictional character that is a high level official in a dystopic police agency. If you haven't read the book it might be as Orwell the author is complicit.
But sry might be a nitpick and obvious from context.
Re:Datasets from Data.gov Have Disappeared
by matwood on Saturday February 01, 2025 @02:33PM
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I’m old and have read 1984 many times. But to your point, it doesn’t mean everyone has. Your note provides useful clarification. Cheers!
Re:Datasets from Data.gov Have Disappeared
by gopher_space on Saturday February 01, 2025 @02:39PM
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It’d be a point against in a formal debate, but in casual conversation it’s safe to assume your audience passed junior high and is familiar with the work.
Re:Datasets from Data.gov Have Disappeared
by numpad0 on Saturday February 01, 2025 @06:03PM
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Tangential: this seem to be an extremely minor opinion of mine, but does messaging from O'Brien to Winston not boil down to:
- "for god's sake please play by the rules, get into the power, and only then and only by doing so join us the Miniluv equals IRA; do not try to walk through the front door and topple the building by hand"
- "I thought you were smart enough to understand the intricacy of this game, spared precious resources for you, and giving you multiple chances. Your undecided and uncultured reactions to my efforts are irritating"
Or am I absolutely hallucinating? Is O'Brien as a sad, captured, ex-revolutionist government torturer all there is to it?
― George Orwell, 1984