Re:Umlauts, Diaereses, and the New Yorker (2020)
by lxgr on Thursday January 30, 2025 @05:05PM
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Why would you say that Ä, Ö, and Ü are not vowels in German? Intuitively that doesn't seem true, but I'm not sure if linguists maybe use the terminology differently.
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Re:Umlauts, Diaereses, and the New Yorker (2020)
by henrikschroder on Thursday January 30, 2025 @05:15PM
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Because they're not letters of the German alphabet, by definition, and they're not German vowels, by definition.
They're characters that represent vowel sounds, sure.
It's kinda the same thing as how in the English alphabet, Y is by definition a consonant, despite being used to represent a vowel sound in many words. (beauty, many, cyst, tryst, for example)
Re:Umlauts, Diaereses, and the New Yorker (2020)
by int_19h on Thursday January 30, 2025 @05:44PM
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By which definition is "Y" a consonant? It represents the vowel sound much more often than it does the consonant sound, so if you go by that metric, it's a "vowel letter".
Of course, the more accurate take is that it's by definition neither a vowel nor a consonant because those are properties of sounds. They only apply to letters to the extent that letters consistently represent sounds, but when they do not, it doesn't make any sense to categorize letters like that.