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Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dartos on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @05:25PM (#42872053)
TOS are not contracts.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by lolinder on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @05:44PM (#42872267)
Citation? My understanding was that they are provided that someone has to affirmatively accept them in order to use your site. So Terms of Service stuck at the bottom in the footer likely would not count as a contract because there's no consent, but Terms of Service included in a check box on a login form likely would count.

But IANAL, so if you have a citation that says otherwise I'd be happy to see it!

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by xdennis on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @07:17PM (#42873195)
IANAGL, but in Germany a ToS is not a contract and can be declared void if it's deemed by courts to be unfair.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by vanviegen on Thursday January 30, 2025 @03:00AM (#42875867)
Yes, though this is especially true when it's consumers 'agreeing' to the TOS. Anything even somewhat surprising within such a TOS is basically thrown out the window in European courtrooms without a second look.

For actual, legally binding consent, you'll need to make some real effort to make sure the consumer understands what they are agreeing to.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by addicted on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @08:27PM (#42873725)
You don’t need a citation.

You just need to read OpenAI’s arguments about why TOS and copyright laws don’t apply to them when they’re training on other people’s copyrighted and TOS protected data and running roughshod over every legal protection.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by Spooky23 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:21PM (#42874454)
People here will argue that. But the Chinese DNGAF.