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Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by lolinder on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @05:22PM (#42872019)
It probably ignored hundreds of thousands of "by using this site you consent to our Terms and Conditions" notices, many of which probably would be read as prohibiting training. But that's also a great example of why these implicit contracts don't really work as contracts.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by otherme123 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @05:39PM (#42872211)
OpenAI scrapped my blog so aggressively that I had to ban their IPs. They ignored the robots.txt (which is kind of ToS) by 2 orders of magnitude, they ignored the explicit ToS that I copypasted blindly from somewhere but turns out it forbids what they did (something like you can't make money with the content). Not that I'm going to enforce it, but they should at least shut up.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by freen on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @05:37PM (#42872186)
Civil law is only available to deep pockets.

Contracts are enforceable to the degree to which you can pay lawyers to enforce them.

I will run out of money trying to enforce my terms of service against openAI, while they have a massive war chest to enforce theirs.

Ain’t libertarianism great?

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by blibble on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @06:09PM (#42872519)
solution: live in a country OpenAI can't get to you

e.g China

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by staunton on Thursday January 30, 2025 @02:32AM (#42875737)
Are you suggesting it's easier to successfully sue OpenAI for copyright infringement if you live in China?
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by qup on Thursday January 30, 2025 @05:32AM (#42876568)
No, they're suggesting that deepseek avoids getting sued by openAI