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by samtheprogram on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:44PM
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They’re already running a plant in Arizona, and I heard it’s going really well. It won’t matter.
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by GeekyBear on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:27PM
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Especially now that Taiwan has removed restrictions on producing TSMC's most advanced nodes on foreign soil.
https://www.techpowerup.com/331104/tsmc-granted-government-p...
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by duskwuff on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:59PM
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I wouldn't count on that. It's going to be some time before the Arizona plant is fully operational, and it's not a substitute for the production capacity in Taiwan. It's also very possible that TSMC will pause or halt production in the US if they're targeted by trade sanctions.
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by patmorgan23 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:27PM
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The TSMC Arizona plant is already operational they started production of TSMC 4nm process node this month, and will be ramping up volume over the next few months.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/tsmc-begins-producing-4-n...
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by GeekyBear on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:44PM
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TSMC is also looking to add a chip packaging plant in Arizona.
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by TSUTiger on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:24PM
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Amkor will also be near
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by duskwuff on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:56PM
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Even so, the ramp-up to full capacity is going to take a while - and even at full capacity it's not going to be a replacement for the facilities in Taiwan.
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by jandrese on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:24PM
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They don't have to replace all of the Taiwanese manufacturing, just the chips that are US bound. There are plenty of customers in other countries that need TSMC chips.
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by mandevil on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:10PM
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Besides the fact that the AZ plant does not produce TSMC's bleeding edge process (3nm) but the older 4nm, the product from that fab can't be delivered directly to a customer. Every wafer at that plant has to be shipped back to Taiwan for packaging and can only then be delivered to a customer.
So a blanket tariff would definitely apply even to the production of that plant. Which is why lots of CEO's (including Tim Cook) are trying to suck-up to Trump right now, to get an exception made for their imports.
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by indrora on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @05:18PM
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TSMC can work with partners for packaging (TI and IBM come to mind)
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by mandevil on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @06:57PM
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Packaging is not trivial. I don't think either of those companies has been near the frontier for packaging in ... more than a decade? Two decades? This would be something where it would take a lot of time and throwing away badly packaged wafers to create the experience necessary. TSMC is probably better off doing it themselves in a new build versus working with partners who are so far from their level.
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by th0ma5 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:57PM
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That is in an international economic zone and would be subject to tariffs as well as for supplies.
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by WillPostForFood on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:18PM
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The point of the foreign trade zone is no tariffs, avoid customs. And the point of the tariff is to get plants built in the US, so tariffing them would make no sense.
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by th0ma5 on Friday January 31, 2025 @11:37AM
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And yet!
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by wtallis on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:57PM
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The plant in Arizona is deliberately not equipped to produce current-gen chips.
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by bryanlarsen on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:58PM
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Did you forget the sarcasm flag?