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Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by godelski on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:37AM (#42838387)
I'm not trying to take sides in this, but your link seems to support the parent who you're disagreeing with. You have to get to the 14th most popular origin to see the first non-European immigrant. Which this, like usual, follows a power law distribution. So yeah, looks like most immigrants are coming from Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Kosovo. Last I checked, they are all white European countries.
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by lmm on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:56AM (#42838535)
> Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Kosovo. Last I checked, they are all white European countries.

Kosovo has never been white (it's majority-Muslim, culturally Middle Eastern) and whether Italy/Portugal/Spain are considered white fluctuates based on politics.

Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by godelski on Monday January 27, 2025 @01:35PM (#42844169)
> Kosovo has never been white (it's majority-Muslim, culturally Middle Eastern)

TIL Muslim == brown. I always though Indonesians were Asian.

As an American, searching Google images, I really am surprised these people are not considered white. These are the whitest looking "middle easterners" I've ever seen. They really just look like their neighbors: Greeks, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania...

Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by lmm on Monday January 27, 2025 @07:40PM (#42847607)
> TIL Muslim == brown. I always though Indonesians were Asian.

Indonesia is Muslim for different reasons. In that part of the world the religious divide follows the historic culural/ethnic divide (for the same reasons) and is a useful shorthand - I could have equally pointed to how Kosovans drink their coffee, but that would have been less legible.

> As an American, searching Google images, I really am surprised these people are not considered white. These are the whitest looking "middle easterners" I've ever seen. They really just look like their neighbors: Greeks, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania...

America famously didn't consider the Irish "white" until relatively recently, and Irish people are whiter than white skin-tone-wise. Of course if you've spent much time around Irish people you can immediately see the difference between the Irish and their next-door neighbours, but that goes for all of these distinctions.

Kosovo-Bulgaria-Türkiye is ethnically continuous, you'll find people from Türkiye and Syria who look much like Kosovans (and, more importantly, have very similar cultures). Greeks are another group who are "white" or not depending on current politics. Serbians are Slavs, continuous with Slovaks or Ukrainians, which again is a group whose whiteness is a political question (even Poles haven't always been "white" in America). Romanians are their own unique thing (as the name suggests, they're the last of the Romans, and have a distinct culture that reflects that).

Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by nairboon on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:53AM (#42838511)
There might be some part of the population missing in those particular numbers (refugees). For example there should be approximately 67'000 Ukrainians on that list, but I don't see it.
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by bluesign on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:55AM (#42838527)
Yeah but considering EU and free movement agreements, little bit apples and oranges comparison.
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by lmm on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:50AM (#42838477)
The US classifies people into racial categories based on skin tone, and then imagines that these racial categories are objective and used around the world.
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by iforgot22 on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:02AM (#42838564)
The original comment by a Dane here said "white," a skin tone.
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by lmm on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:04AM (#42838579)
I suspect they meant the US-cultural racial category "white" (which is of course named for the skin tone).
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by motaforever2019 on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:33AM (#42838361)
The first non white country there is Eritrea at 14.
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by true_religion on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:47AM (#42838454)
TIL that Turkey is considered a white nation.

Either case Switzerlands demographics don't seem too different from their neighbors like Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Austria

I won't doubt that they have a Euro-centric immigration policy, but I'm curious why a landlocked nation in the center of Europe really needs anything else.

I'm from a West African country and our immigration policy is arms open to our neighbors, and non-existant for European countries except for the UK.

Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by egeozcan on Monday January 27, 2025 @04:02AM (#42838913)
> TIL that Turkey is considered a white nation.

What is a white nation?

Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by true_religion on Monday January 27, 2025 @05:20AM (#42839430)
Sorry, I know it sounded like sarcasm but it's a real 'today i learned'.

https://aeon.co/essays/the-fantastic-science-of-turkeys-whit...

Apparently, there's a LOT of debate over if the Turkish are white, middle-eastern, or their own thing. I just always thought of them as being middle-eastern due to the ottoman empire.

Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by rspoerri on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:05AM (#42838591)
France and spain still have south american and african territories.
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by __rito__ on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:34AM (#42838367)
Foreign-born != Non-white
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by egeozcan on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:48AM (#42838458)
(This is not a comment on what you said but something for the whole thread)

May I kindly ask that we do not say "white" and "non-white" as if it has a global definition? I think all people here mean "European" when they say "white". There are many Europeans with dark skin color and being "white" is very context dependent, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Turks

I mean I, as someone non-European although with very light skin and blue eyes, take no offense from the usage here personally as I understand you mean European, but I still think it'd be nice to be more considerate.

Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by ricardobeat on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:01AM (#42838563)
What would be really considerate, is not bucketing people by the color of their skin at all. Seems like a radical call these days…
Re:US blocking Swiss access to AI chips by egeozcan on Monday January 27, 2025 @03:09AM (#42838608)
I fully agree, I just wanted to keep it on a single topic.