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Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by ascorbic on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:58PM (#42832814)
As the article points out, bitcoin is so volatile that having it as even 5% of your portfolio will "drastically raise its risk profile".
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by dnamlin on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:29PM (#42833152)
That was so funny they left out "and returns"

Like, it's valid to point to its historical volatility, but it struck me as intellectually dishonest to say it's been (historically) risky without also acknowledging that holders have (historically) been well-rewarded for their risk appetite. High Sharpe ratio, etc.

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by erikpukinskis on Sunday January 26, 2025 @09:03PM (#42836572)
If you’ve got a lot of working years left (and therefore can survive losing a large % of assets any given year) it’s generally a good thing to drastically raise your risk profile. Assuming you’re also raising your expected returns.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by cedws on Monday January 27, 2025 @02:47AM (#42838455)
Unless you’re playing around with derivatives, crypto is actually fairly safe. There are price swings but the supply doesn’t magically increase because someone was ordered to print more. Therefore there is always a reasonable expectation that its value will increase over time.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by crazygringo on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:20AM (#42840825)
The price swings with crypto are on the demand side. It is completely unsafe because there's no rhyme or reason to its demand, people just following whichever way the crowd goes, in whichever direction, and variously hoping it continues or reverses.

It's not even like gambling on an external event like whether a horse wins -- it's betting on how other people are betting.

There is absolutely no reasonable expectation that its value will increase over time. There's no reasonable expectation of anything because it has no demand-side fundamentals whatsoever.

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by cedws on Monday January 27, 2025 @09:26AM (#42841432)
>It is completely unsafe because there's no rhyme or reason to its demand, people just following whichever way the crowd goes, in whichever direction, and variously hoping it continues or reverses.

How is this any different to any other security? There's speculation in all markets.

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by crazygringo on Monday January 27, 2025 @10:09AM (#42841883)
It's different because other securities have a fundamental present value of future cash flows. You expect corporations you buy stocks in will pay dividends and/or be purchased by another corporation that does.

If stocks get too expensive or too cheap from what people's estimation of that present value is, we know a correction will come at some point. It always does.

But with crypto, there's utterly on sense of "too expensive" or "too cheap" or "correction". It's just betting on betting.

Regular securities are fundamental value plus limited speculation. Crypto is purely speculation that is unbounded. Two totally different things.

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by grajaganDev on Monday January 27, 2025 @08:25AM (#42840874)
No, there is always a reasonable expectation that crypto will crash to near zero.

Crypto valuation is based on the greater fool theory and one day you will run out of fools.