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Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by LudwigNagasena on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:41PM (#42832623)
Which makes it better. Using gold as a store of value is inefficient. Only 11% of gold is used industrially, 89% of gold is literally wasted in financial games where bitcoin or any other fiat store of value with low supply inflation could be used instead.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by rsynnott on Sunday January 26, 2025 @03:31PM (#42833772)
Yes, using gold as a store of value is inefficient. You would generally expect returns worse than global equity markets over any significant period of time. You are at significant risk of _losing_ most of your money (adjusted for inflation, gold has never returned to its 80s peak, and was _much_ lower for most of the last 40 years). ~No-one should be investing in gold.

And bitcoin is even _worse_ than gold, on the fundamentals; gold does have at least have that bit of intrinsic value (plus a few millennia of cultural cachet). Bitcoin has _nothing_.

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by sgt101 on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:04PM (#42832866)
My wife can't wear a bitcoin. She can wear a gold necklace and will be pleased to do it even if the price goes to 10%
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by LudwigNagasena on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:18PM (#42833028)
What’s better: someone’s wife wearing a gold necklace, or a gold ignot sitting idle in Fort Knox?

What’s better: someone living in a house, or a house sitting idle as a store of value?

What’s better: someone storing his wealth in houses and gold ignots, or in special financial assets that don’t take away products from other people?

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by rvnx on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:24PM (#42833090)
Hoarded wealth is a stinking manure; used wealth is a fertilizer.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by liontwist on Sunday January 26, 2025 @03:26PM (#42833726)
> hoarded

It’s bad to be able to transport wealth through time? Spend it or lose it? Never work hard now for later?

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by pfannkuchen on Sunday January 26, 2025 @03:12PM (#42833577)
Doesn’t the appeal of gold as jewelry rely on it being expensive? I think if the price cratered its use in jewelry would probably plummet.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by viraptor on Sunday January 26, 2025 @04:10PM (#42834175)
It's the look. You also get resin / rock / clay / steel / ... (anything really) jewellery. It's not just about the price. And even then, a jewelry-sized gold piece is quite cheap.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by mistercheph on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:31PM (#42833180)
Would she be happy to wear a necklace that appeared identical to gold to the naked eye, but anyone with a $10 instrument could demonstrate was not gold but something relatively worthless? If so, I have something I would like to sell you that your wife would really love.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by 1659447091 on Sunday January 26, 2025 @03:15PM (#42833621)
I doubt she would be too pleased with the green stain left behind when taken off
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by pclmulqdq on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:32PM (#42833191)
Industrial uses of gold aren't the only uses of gold. Like it or not, jewelry (among other decorative objects) containing actual gold is an enduring status symbol that is hard to 100% fake, and there is quite a large amount of the world's gold that is used for decorative purposes.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by B-Con on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:54PM (#42832769)
It makes it hard to value Bitcoin.

It's not only almost 100% speculation, it doesn't have much history track record.

Crypto bros need to understand that they aren't the first people to discover a speculation market, and just because they can dream of utility doesn't mean they test if the world wants to treat it as a reality. What they're doing is, from a financial perspective, boring and in many cases outdated.