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Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by kinakomochidayo on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:23PM (#42832405)
If it’s truly digital gold, that will only lead to the demise of the chain as a result of block rewards going down and not enough transaction fees to support the miners. Bitcoin truly has a security budget issue.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by Self-Perfection on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:42PM (#42833287)
You seem to be arguing that if block reward sufficiently drops, everyone will stop mining and new block cease to be generated. Why would it happen?

If everyone stops mining that it would be enough to run mining on cheapest laptop and collect all the reward.

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by kinakomochidayo on Sunday January 26, 2025 @06:40PM (#42835514)
I didn't say that mining would cease - it's that there would be way less incentive for people to mine, so less hash power, and more susceptible to 51% attacks.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by cryptoegorophy on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:31PM (#42833184)
Doesn’t it self regulate? If there is too fewer miners then reward goes up? Also, unlike gold, you can anonymously transport it around the world without getting robbed.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by bornfreddy on Sunday January 26, 2025 @03:22PM (#42833687)
Nitpick: the reward doesn't go up, but the difficulty goes down.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by oellegaard on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:16PM (#42832325)
except you cannot melt it and wear it to show off
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by rvnx on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:18PM (#42832343)
and you cannot produce electronics out of it, nor use it in dentistry, or medicine.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by leishman on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:26PM (#42832446)
one reason it's better money than Gold, there are no industrial supply/demand dynamics impacting its price. It's pure monetary premium
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by jonbodner on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:27PM (#42832458)
And gold is a non reactive physical object. Storing gold is cheap compared to the infrastructure required to keep Bitcoin ledger information.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by DonHopkins on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:59PM (#42832818)
You need gold in a computer to mine bitcoin, but you don't need bitcoin to mine gold.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by losteric on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:19PM (#42832362)
Why bitcoin instead of doge or any of the other digital golds?
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by leishman on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:25PM (#42832432)
Network effect, first-mover advantage, and fair launch that did not pre-mine coins for insiders. It's the only "pure" one because it was first and honest.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by kinakomochidayo on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:28PM (#42832468)
Satoshi ninja-mined in the beginning for themselves. If they had posted about Bitcoin further in advance and had many more people mining, that would’ve been different.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by do_not_redeem on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:43PM (#42832645)
Satoshi embedded the day's newspaper headline in the genesis block, as proof that he did not ninja-mine in the beginning for himself.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by kinakomochidayo on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:08PM (#42832921)
There were only few others mining, so they mined many blocks for themselves through information asymmetry.

Would’ve been different if there were way more miners from the beginning

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by do_not_redeem on Sunday January 26, 2025 @05:55PM (#42835109)
Every human endeavor since the beginning of history has had some form of information asymmetry. Not everyone can be lucky enough to buy AAPL in 2001 or BTC in 2009. Apple management and Satoshi both announced what they were doing publicly to anyone who would listen, but not everyone was listening. Unless you can conjure up a method to deliver every piece of information globally to everyone on earth instantaneously, you'll just have to accept that as a fact of life. It's not bitcoin's problem to solve. Complaining on the internet about how life is unfair certainly won't solve it.
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by leishman on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:53PM (#42832761)
>Satoshi ninja-mined in the beginning for themselves

completely and provably false

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by kinakomochidayo on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:07PM (#42832906)
There might’ve been only 2-4 others mining so yeah, they mined for themselves through information asymmetry
Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by rvnx on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:36PM (#42832568)
Doge has unlimited supply, so there is an infinite amount of Doge.

Investing into something which has an infinite amount that will get created for free by the system (and therefore reduce the value of your investment) ?

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by hollerith on Sunday January 26, 2025 @01:23PM (#42832410)
Because more people have confidence in Bitcoin than the other digital golds because it has been in the news the most over the years.

Also, the price won't be as volatile as the other coins (even though it is much more volatile than dollars) because if someone decides to sell $50 million worth of Bitcoin, the price barely budges because $50 million is such a small fraction of the $2.2 trillion worth of Bitcoin in existence.

Re:No Bitcoin ETFs at Vanguard by somewhereoutth on Sunday January 26, 2025 @02:27PM (#42833131)
The price will move (down) until the sell is fulfilled - if there are not $50MM worth of buyers at that price point then the price will drop until buyers are found.

The 'market cap' of Bitcoin is irrelevant here, only the price sensitivity of buyers. Given there is no underlying income stream from bitcoin, there is no real floor. If nobody wants to buy it, a 50MM sell will go to zero pretty quick.